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doodiewiz
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| yeah its all mathematical i guess. Heads up is a weird pyshological game too imo. Although would maths based players disagree? It's like if you try a limp early and you get raised 4x, 5x isn't that some useful info to have early and cheap? Or you're getting 3 bet every time you raise preflop and you try a limp and he lets you limp....keep limping no? I hear what you're saying though...i've read all sorts of conflicting stuff about this exact thing to limp or not too limp...lol |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| doodiewiz wrote: | | yeah its all mathematical i guess. Heads up is a weird pyshological game too imo. It's like if you try a limp early and you get raised 4x, 5x isn't that some useful info to have early and cheap? Or you're getting 3 bet every time you raise preflop and you try a limp and he lets you limp....keep limping no? I hear what you're saying though...i've read all sorts of conflicting stuff about this exact thing to limp or not too limp...lol |
Well, Jakester said name 1 good player that limps.
I can name one, he doesn't limp as standard, but he does limp sometimes. Spamz (sp?) Read his HH reveiws on 2+2 he says "It's okay to limp to see how they react" I have also heard Primo advocate it, for info for later use too.
I think, like everything in poker, you need to be doing it for a reason.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| ^ haha i had spamz in mind too! |
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kierkegaard1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:50 am Post subject: |
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K3 is a horrible hand to limp. >20bbs i think you'll see primo close to never limp.
Spamz' hh's are now super old, but the reasoning is pretty fair.
notice he's not limping for any other reason than to improve his endgame strategy once it comes to it and im sure, against an opponent he plays regularly, he'd never limp >20bb
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doodiewiz
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| kierkegaard1 wrote: | K3 is a horrible hand to limp. >20bbs i think you'll see primo close to never limp.
Spamz' hh's are now super old, but the reasoning is pretty fair.
notice he's not limping for any other reason than to improve his endgame strategy once it comes to it and im sure, against an opponent he plays regularly, he'd never limp >20bb |
yeah i sometimes do limp that kind of stuff more out of habit from my limping days. Fond memories:) What about 10 6 os though? Would you start limping if every raise was getting 3 bet and then raise your value hands for instance or should that be a last resort? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| kierkegaard1 wrote: | K3 is a horrible hand to limp. >20bbs i think you'll see primo close to never limp.
Spamz' hh's are now super old, but the reasoning is pretty fair.
notice he's not limping for any other reason than to improve his endgame strategy once it comes to it and im sure, against an opponent he plays regularly, he'd never limp >20bb |
I have seen Primo limp, in some of his older videos, although for the same reasoning, just for information for later on in the game. I was just using them as an example really, I was actually on the side of not limping. Especially just for the reason of "cheap info"
Those Spamz HH are very old, but I still think a lot of people could learn alot from them, I still read them from time to time, the way he reads board textures, and the way he plans hands out from the beggning is pretty good stuff.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:06 am Post subject: |
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i think i play a weird/limpy sub optimal by the sounds of it style against people i think are fishy...interesting discussion  ...
what did cog dissonance say or some random quote about him...limpin aint easy |
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