can people help my end game thought processes please?

The Angler · Baller Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 460 Skype: jabular1911

I was under the impression that open shoving using the NASH chart wasn't unexploitable until 8bb. The thing is Blsmur you have other options, not just shove/fold, the NASH chart only works if you (and your opponent) can either A) Go Ali-in or B) Fold

If you want help with your endgame may I suggest reading this free book by Mercenary, kindly posted here by BMM
http://tagpoker.myfastforum.org/about3869.html

blsmur · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:58 pm Post subject:

I have been and still are reading this "Ebook

it is very interesting and I am sure anyone that reads it and take some notes will learn something from it

I guess the most important thing for me so far is the Question

" which play will make more money in the long run"

the other thing is the small things we do that add up over lots of hands that lose us money

as for end games play

nash and chubakov is a great start for anyone having trouble

i prefer to implement my end game play as a range over 20bb and lower

meaning i am happy to 3bet shove or call fold down to 7 bb

this means i have a soft end game entry

and not a hard 10 bb i shove fold

"Skates"also of husng.com, makes quite a big deal about this , while i don't understand everything he says what I do understand seems to point me this way

I will continue with the "mersenary" ebook is is very good

BetMagicMoney · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject:

shove/folding @12-15BB is just losing money unless your against ivey imo
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blsmur · Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:14 am Post subject:

so you guys are saying you wont shove 66 at 40 bb ?

so where will you shove 66 20 bb

or 5 bb

perhaps 10 bb

if we dont have a 3 bet shove range are just folding 66 when the pot is raised and the effective stack is 40 bb

now if our opponent is tight and raising less than 50% on the button what is our 3 bet all in range going to be

if he raising 65% on the button what is out 3 bet shove range ?

are we just folding because we dont want to be calling a 3x raise for an 8 to1 shot at a set

if our opponent just minraises do we 3 bet our 66 or flat and fold to any aggression

I ask this because I an curious what others are doing that I am doing differently

which way makes the most money ?

kolonel · Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:21 am Post subject:

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