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wowbobwow
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 Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:19 am Post subject: math vs intuition in heads up |
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Hey guys!
I just wanted to know to what has helped you guys most in heads up sngs. I know heads up is more about player psychology and most of us just cannot do calculations on the fly since there is so much to think about.
I'm venturing out into absolute micros so i need some help here.
besides pot odds and hand odds is there anything else i should apply at the micros or should i just focus on the thought process for now?
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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learn how hand ranges work!!!!!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^This +100000000!
Now for absolute micros... I guess the MOST important thing (imo) is to learn to valuebet thinly, and know when to fold vs a passive guy's raise.
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wowbobwow
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will do that guys...thanks  |
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I think math is not that important at all ... I donīt even count pot odds and such stuff at the table lol. That comes with experience, you will know when you can call a bet from what player (eg. he is a station and bets - you can call, because you will probably pay you off when you hit your draw because a) he is loose passive and likes to see showdowns b) when passive player bets he probably has some kind of hand)
Math is only important when you want to do some after session analyses (EV calculations), 3bet shoving math ... IMO
I think just learn how to approach the game in a logical, rational way and learn to think in ranges and what makes sense and what does not. |
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wowbobwow
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| acceleration wrote: | I think math is not that important at all ... I donīt even count pot odds and such stuff at the table lol. That comes with experience, you will know when you can call a bet from what player (eg. he is a station and bets - you can call, because you will probably pay you off when you hit your draw because a) he is loose passive and likes to see showdowns b) when passive player bets he probably has some kind of hand)
Math is only important when you want to do some after session analyses (EV calculations), 3bet shoving math ... IMO
I think just learn how to approach the game in a logical, rational way and learn to think in ranges and what makes sense and what does not. |
I think I will just focus on hand ranges right now, I believe it is very important. Damn what was I thinking. I know I should have starting with hand ranges instead I started jumping around with complex calculations. Thanks Buddy |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| wowbobwow wrote: | | acceleration wrote: | I think math is not that important at all ... I donīt even count pot odds and such stuff at the table lol. That comes with experience, you will know when you can call a bet from what player (eg. he is a station and bets - you can call, because you will probably pay you off when you hit your draw because a) he is loose passive and likes to see showdowns b) when passive player bets he probably has some kind of hand)
Math is only important when you want to do some after session analyses (EV calculations), 3bet shoving math ... IMO
I think just learn how to approach the game in a logical, rational way and learn to think in ranges and what makes sense and what does not. |
I think I will just focus on hand ranges right now, I believe it is very important. Damn what was I thinking. I know I should have starting with hand ranges instead I started jumping around with complex calculations. Thanks Buddy |
Youīre welcome. Donīt make it more complicated for yourself than it really is. I mean when you watch Brokerstarīs videos for example ... have you ever seen him doing some equations during his HU matches ?  No, cause he is only logically assessing what the other player might hold in his hand according to his tendencies. |
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| Brokerstar wrote: | | There is pretty much zero maths in my game when I play. I focus on defining my opponents style, picking up tells (timing tells, betting patterns etc) and then using a good counter strategy. |
You think there is 0 maths in your game, but in reality there is. I hear you mention Blockers and such all the time, it may not be the main focal point of your strategy, but it is there all the same.
Picking up on villains patterns is the key imo, even retards do things for a reason,even if that reason is retarded. once you can work out what they are doing, it becomes an easy game. Hand ranges are important too, basically you need to use every bit of information you have for every decision you make.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Math is EVERYTHING in poker.
Defining opponent's ranges and adjusting yours accordingly is pure math. We don't have to do concious calculations for it to be math.
When we adjust our own ranges on the basis of what we believe our opponents ranges to be, we subconciously (mathematically) evaluate a wide variety of possibilities.
There is no such thing as playing "feel-based". It's only a sub-category of playing math-based.
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