fixing ALL leaks

nitid1 · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: fixing ALL leaks

Hi Guys,

i am new here and would like to start out with a question that has been on my mind for quite some time.

Especially to the winning or break even players around here:

After learning the fundamentals of HU and plugging technical leaks + applying BR management, how strongly could avoiding TILT and all the other leaks (alcohol, boredom, fatique,) make the difference in your ROI?

Has anyone ever monitored his obvious tilt sessions on a graph and then calculated his monthly ROI if he could have avoided them?

Thanks and good luck at the tables!!!

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chesslw · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject:

Yep. This question really is a non-question... I think most people would be huge winners if they didn't tilt/have exterior leaks tbh. And that's part of the skill.

It's impossible to really calculate ROI without tilt since there are so many factors, and it's not so obvious at all how much EV you have lost through tilt (e.g. tilt 5bet shoving 79o is bad- but you may have folded the bottom of villain's range- say AJo) since you are always asking "what if" questions in a game already filled with random variation.
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nitid1 · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject:

Of course, no doubt about that.

Let me put it this way. Suppose a pro player getting roi 20%. Does he achieve this because he does not tilt and is very controlled? So is this 20
% the result of a near perfect game?

Or is he actually a player that does tilt and is this 20 % the result of all his actions, tilt issues included. In this case if he would not tilt, his roi may be a even a lot higher?

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nitid1 · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject:

Thx. Will practice my ZEN nature more from now on. I am no mathematical genius, so focuss will be on " tilt free" from now on. Good bankroll management, no more than 3 losses in a row, no alcohol and looking at poker as "working". After all, if no money could be earned with poker, i would not be playing it.

Thx and good luck!

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Brokerstar · Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject:

Hello there mate.

When I did the $50 - $5000 bankroll challenge firstly it took me ages to finish because I didn't play huge volume.

Now to go along with that, I only ever played when I was in a very good mood and actually wanted to play and so essentially I never played tilted.

My ROI was high in those games played but that is mainly due to playing slow structure games (non turbos or super turbos), only playing when in a good mood, never playing tilted and playing a low volume as a result.

So there always ends up being a trade off playing the 'perfect game' or playing the volume needed to make real money.

But in short, tilt can be the difference between some players being a winning or losing player, it's that big.

Every time you sit down to play, you should be fighting for that one buy in like your life depends on it!!! If you play every game this way then you'll see a huge difference in results.

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JamEaze · Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:30 am Post subject:

Try and identify when you are playing your A game and when you are playing your D game. I sat down to play a session the other night and played one match before quitting as I felt I played nowhere near my best. I went and played some xbox instead.

Recognising when you are playing your D game and rectifying it (however that is done) or just stopping that session altogether is just as long term +EV as playing a strong A game session.

As Dom noted though, this needs to be balanced between the desire to play and the objective to make money.

P.S Mike Caro warns about "manufacturing" win streaks for ourselves. Stopping because you have lost 5 in a row where you are playing your A game but scared of having a losing day is in theory -EV, compared to if you can take those 5 losses without tilting and continuing to play your A game.

nitid1 · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject:

My results are improving and my balance has been growing steadily, with the necessary swings.

So i am not a loosing and that is good news for a beginner i would say.

I can say with confidence that i have not tilted once yet. I allowed myself 1 tilt game because i got upset after a loosing streak and wanted to know if being more agro could be the solution. I knew it would not work, but had to give my ego at least a chance and fortunately i lost.

I have not played my A game all the time however. I can spot when i start playing B or worse when the following happens:

1. I get stressed preflop because of the many bad cards being dealt at times and then having to fold a lot. Stress builds up, than you hit 2 good cards or medium pair only to miss the flop completely... (and get donked...)

2. I start playing autopilot, not thinking ahead and not playing the board and the opponent. Just playing the cards and feeling tired is not good, especially since i tend to call to light when this happens. Also i will shove/3bet more just to end the game faster because i really do not want/cannot focuss. I should not play when i do not care about playing A.

3. After winning some games i get a bit to sure of my game and just want to "blast" them all from the table. After giving my winnings back i realise i should work on this stupid macho ego issue.

Good luck!

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