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| Brokerstar |
What a really basic triple barrel bluff spot looks like.The Basic Triple Barrel BluffOk guys this is for the beginner players (hence why it's posted in this section). Lots of new players in heads up, 6 max, full ring, cash or tournaments, don't know what a good spot looks like to fire three barrels as a bluff. I am always seeing HH files sent in to me with just pure random, mindless barreling without any consideration for the board texture, opponent type or dynamic between the players (what's been happening recently and do they think you're likely FOS or not). Another thing that I'm seeing in recent HH files is the classic, scared, one and done. Everyone knows to raise pre flop and fire a cbet but then just lose their nerve and give up unless they hit. This is also a huge leak. Lets talk trough the basics of this hand. BetOnline Poker Game #939115604: Hold'em No Limit ($1/2) - 2011/11/25 15:07 GMT Standard Time Table 'Diamonds Are Forever' 6-Max, Seat #7 is the button Seat 6: Rottenraxx (110.42 in chips) Seat 7: Brokerstar (214.65 in chips) - The button Seat 9: pencil2011 (247.10 in chips) - Big Blind Seat 4: kmazz (63.13 in chips) Seat 8: player4949 (165.85 in chips) - Small Blind Seat 5: Brann77 (97.00 in chips) player4949: posts small blind 1.00 pencil2011: posts big blind 2.00 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Brokerstar [8d 9d] kmazz: folds Brann77: folds Rottenraxx: folds Brokerstar: raises 6.00 to 6.00 player4949: calls 5.00 pencil2011: folds It's folded to me so raising here is standard and the players in the blinds are a bit fishy so as well as maybe picking the blinds up uncontested, if I'm called, I get to play in position with a playable hand, vs weaker players which is always good. *** FLOP *** [3h 10d 7s] player4949: checks Brokerstar: bets 9.00 player4949: calls 9.00 We're heads up to the flop which is a great result and flop and open ended draw. A cbet here is perfect, we have reasonable equity in the hand and we can also easily pick the pot up on the flop. What's our plan for the turn if called? If we're called we have all of our straight outs that we can bet again for value, an 8 or 9 may give us the best hand and then we have a lot of scare cards that we can apply pressure to such as a J,Q,K or ace. *** TURN *** [3h 10d 7s][Qs] player4949: checks Brokerstar: bets 23.00 player4949: calls 23.00 So the turn doesn't help our hand exactly but is a scare card to the board. It doesn't really help any drawing hands and if the villain has something like a 7,66,88,99 or even a weak ten, then we may get a fold. *** RIVER *** [3h 10d 7s Qs][Kc] player4949: checks Brokerstar: bets 50.00 player4949: folds Uncalled bet (50.00) returned to Brokerstar Brokerstar shows 8d 9d Again we missed all of our outs but the king is another classical scare card in relation to this board. A bet on this river when checked to should get most medium strength hands on the flop to fold now, all draws (hands like ours) will give up and lots of what were top pair on the flop will very likely go away too by this point. |
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| U Cook Socks |
I did that move on virtually the same board run out, apart from the river being an Ace, which probably isn't such a good card to do it on as a King, cos there are probably more Aces in his range than Kings, but whatever, he snap called me with pocket 5s 
Sorry, not trying to take away from your thread, he was just a retard obv. *Edit* mine was in a HUSNG, which isn't really all that important for the moral of the story |
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| Brokerstar |
I can't see to many ace x type hands calling a turn bet so I would still consider an ace on the river, vs his range of two barrel calling hands, a good scare card. |
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| U Cook Socks |
Yeah, I mean obviously my triple should have worked, the guy didn't have that bad a stats, and I assumed he had some kind of a brain, wrong obviously. Low limit HUSNG players do tend to float and call down with A high far to often, which is obviously pretty easy to exploit, but can be annoying when you are making a well thought out move. |
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| doodiewiz |
But if someone calls this down with pocket 5s haven't we just picked up an awesome read? We can value town the crap out of them when we hit and stop bluffing so much...? What about good drawy boards to triple barrel? Not sure I always get that right but I get some frequent folds on those because they're quite scary... | ||||
| BetMagicMoney |
they excist but its much harder and resolves more around reads and flow of the match. you have to realize that people with half a brain will see a FD on board, eg/. 4h7hKx and if you barrel to the river you might get picked off light because the FD missed and people think you might turn your hand into a bluff, in this spot you'd have to have a good feel for the game flow to know if you could triple barrel. in general super wet boards aka. 8h9xJh are just bad to bluff period and especially to triple barrel. |
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| kierkegaard1 |
well yes and no. people tend to fastplay big hands/big draws on these flops, so obviously a calling range will be mainly weak so on some turn/rivers we can comfortably barrell off |
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| Jakester1288 |
Yeah, what kierk said, people's calling ranges on those flops are really capped so on safe turn/river cards we can apply a lot of pressure on those boards. | ||||
| U Cook Socks |
Yeah I had an awesome read, trouble was, he just had the last of my chips
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| blsmur |
I like this triple barrel bluff
i do get away with them quite a bit, but CALL STN 's wont fold we must identify our opponent type first something I forget sometimes |