Was I committed to call river shove here?

dzikijohnny · Was I committed to call river shove here?

This hand occurred as 35th in match. Player was an Orange. My color code for aggro lag who wouldn't let me limp and fired many bets big. Had two pair on turn. Not sure if I should have min re-raised him on turn since that folds out all his bluffs. If he had put me all in I would have called then. One interesting thing is how the stack sizes were affected by this raise. If I hadn't of done this I would have had a much harder time calling the shove on the river. Think I would have still done it. The river brought in the only draw he might have had. Frankly the only hand he SHOULD have really had was QT. Think because of his aggression any overpair or set would have shoved the turn. The next hand below happened earlier and I am going to post it to show the similar pattern and also ask if my pot sized re-raise on the river with second nuts was too much. I think it is right and I did it that size because I wanted have him pay off with any flush which I expected. I didn't raise on flop because he was so aggro I didn't want to get blown off my draw. If I would have been raised big or even shoved on this deep (150 deep) I would have to say this is a call vs this player. Comments? Mostly I am interested in what you think about the turn raises vs someone who you think is aggro and what and when you would be will to stack off with 150 deep. Two pair and top pair 2nd nut straight draw seem to fit that for me.

Full Tilt, $10 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
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BB: 2,695
Hero (BTN): 3,305

Pre-Flop: (45) 9

J

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero calls 15, BB raises to 120, Hero calls 90

Flop: (240) 7

J

2

(2 Players)
BB bets 150, Hero calls 150

Turn: (540) 9

(2 Players)
BB bets 270, Hero raises to 540, BB calls 270

River: (1,620) K

(2 Players)
BB bets 1,885 and is All-In, Hero calls 1,885

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Full Tilt, $10 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players
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BB: 2,980
Hero (BTN): 3,020

Pre-Flop: (30) K

3

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero calls 10, BB checks

Flop: (40) 8

4

6

(2 Players)
BB bets 20, Hero calls 20

Turn: (80) K

(2 Players)
BB bets 60, Hero raises to 150, BB calls 90

River: (380) 2

(2 Players)
BB bets 300, Hero raises to 1,280, BB folds

Results: 980 Pot
Hero showed K

3

and WON 980 (+500 NET)

Wannawin

nice to see you can take initiative on turn and still see him lead out on river!

IMO both turn raises were too small, in 1st hand you have left a 1620 pot with 1885 ion his stack this should be the other way round to make him feel committed (not that it mattered) . 2nd hand should be at least 180.

FunkMastah

On first hand no need to limp J9o (if you have read on him punishing your limps) and then call 4xbb bet.
When you hit top pair on flop I would propably make a raise here, I don't think taht betsize looks so strong.
And if he calls then we need to think his range over again. On that turn when that 9 comes,
there is not much that beats you IMO, but he fires again halfpot bet. I agree with Wannawin, you should raise bigger here and not let him draw cheap.
He gets great odds to draw here.
I couldn't see him playing hand like QT this way unless he's really spewy idiot.
There could be 77, 22 that gives a guy set witch he could play like this.
In my book river is pretty easy call.

icemanv6

actually our hand here doesn't beat very much. Id likely fold the river. No one has given villain credit for kj, k9, k7 also. Lots look at his line, bets, bet calls a raise then jams the river which just looks strong to me. Also 108 and q10 also got there aswell as any set and better two pairs.

dzikijohnny

If I had raised bigger on turn in J9o hand I would be committed to calling all shoves yes? Since so much of his range would have to be overpairs. One thing that was factoring into my decisions is that he was so aggro I didn't want to let him to get away.