Turn bet when flush card comes do I still bet pot with tptk?

dzikijohnny

I set up the bets so that there would be a pot sized bet on turn. Then the 3rd club came and I still did it. Starting stacks were 40 bb eff with me having twice what he had. Rated this guy as tight passive with calling station tendencies i.e not someone to bluff but, that even bottom pair was worth a cb and maybe even a value bet if a little stronger. He has very low cbetting stats so if he bet I got out of the way. He was a draw master enough so that if he had a flushdraw i think I would have heard about it on flop. His calling range I would put very wide on flop. Any ace, any pair, any draw including gutters.

Question is: Is there anything to do than bet pot on turn when one possible draw gets there? Second question would you check fold turn with club hitting? Third question, assume you check turn and flop and a fourth club comes insta fold yes. (This one is easy)

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Hero (BB): 4,010
BTN: 1,990

Pre-Flop: (75) K

A

dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 100, Hero raises to 325, BTN calls 225

Flop: (650) A

5

T

(2 Players)
Hero bets 450, BTN calls 450

Turn: (1,550) 4

(2 Players)
Hero bets 3,235 and is All-In, BTN ??? with 1215 left in stack

nachtwacht

In my experience people rarely have the made flush with 3 flushcards showing. You can calculate what the actual percentages are but it will not very often considering his range.

So to the question, if, considering his range, he does not have a flush all that often, we are likely to still have him beat. On this board however he is also likely to call with weaker aces especialy combined with a flushdraw.... since we have manipulated the pot in such a way that we have less than a pot sized bet left, no, there is nothing other we can do than get it in. (if the best way is to bet out or check hoping to induce a bet by villain, thats depending on your opponent)

Since I think it is not very likely that villain has a flush, checking turn is a bad option (unless we think this will induce villain to shove wich we will then be happily calling)

On a 4th club.... it depends... how much chips are left, how likely is villain to bluff etc. etc. Probably usualy it will be a fold..... but it realy depends on the chips that are going in and the odds you are getting.

aggsyb

there really is no size that gets max value on the turn and bet folding isnt an option due to stack sizes , I think villain shows up with AT and flush alot when called but there isnt alot we can do except jam the turn , its pretty far fetchd but he may have KT or something and peels the flop and picks up NFD etc and we dont want him to peel for say 750 or something and fold the river for his remaining stack.

Jamming turn is fine , just a gay spot

genher

I agree
checking turn is obviously bad, you have to bet it and therefore get it in (sizes). Good news is you now get call by more hands that you have got crushed(clubs+).