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razor25

success and regs/turbos

Hey people.

Obviously I know it is probably a lot more optimal to play reg speeds so you have more time to develop reads etc. Plus, ignoring the factor of personal preference, what sort of win rates are still attainable at the turbos on stars?

I mean, assuming I could get 15-20% roi at the reg speed 3s, what expectations should I have if I played turbos?

Any thoughts would be most appreciated, particularly from anyone who has moved from reg speeds to turbos.
Thanks
U Cook Socks

If you really are a 15% winner at the regs, I would say 7% is possible at the turbos. Obv your edge will go down as you move up.

The thing is, it depends how far you plan to go in the game. If you are planning on moving up the stakes, reg speeds are going to be a waste of time by the time you get to the $50s, unless you like waiting long times for games.

Turbos are definitely the way forward long term.

If you only plan on getting to the $20s, $30s possibly then Reg speeds will be fine.
razor25

Thanks man.

Interesting point regading waiting times. I had heard that elsewhere. And although the 50s are still some way off, no harm in being ambitious right? So I am thinking of dipping my feet into the turbos, so I can get used to the structure.
U Cook Socks

razor25 wrote:
Thanks man.

Interesting point regading waiting times. I had heard that elsewhere. And although the 50s are still some way off, no harm in being ambitious right? So I am thinking of dipping my feet into the turbos, so I can get used to the structure.


It's kinda difficult to advise you , if I were playing $10 games or below, I'd probably stick to reg speeds, but at the same time, you can gain valuable experience playing turbos right now. You should still manage to make more $/hour providing you adjust well. Then when you get higher, you already have some experience.

Just be prepared for your graph to look a bit more swingy.
kolonel

I think the one thing i would take from playing HUSNG :

1. Use reg speeds to work on and build you game
2. Become winning player first (15%+) -- no point if you are barely winning games to change to a higher variance setup
3. Opponents dont tend to be much different at the micros
2. Ask whether you want $$ per hour or higher ROI -- higher ROI stick to Reg speed
3. Adapt to Turbo for eventual higher stake play

Sounds basic, but i guess you gotta ask what you want from it.
U Cook Socks

kolonel wrote:
I think the one thing i would take from playing HUSNG :

1. Use reg speeds to work on and build you game
2. Become winning player first (15%+) -- no point if you are barely winning games to change to a higher variance setup
3. Opponents dont tend to be much different at the micros
2. Ask whether you want $$ per hour or higher ROI -- higher ROI stick to Reg speed
3. Adapt to Turbo for eventual higher stake play

Sounds basic, but i guess you gotta ask what you want from it.


You shouldn't even ask the highlighted question. You should always want a higher $/hour. Assuming you are playing to win money, and not just for some ego trip.
Simba

Blazing_Saddler wrote:
kolonel wrote:
I think the one thing i would take from playing HUSNG :

1. Use reg speeds to work on and build you game
2. Become winning player first (15%+) -- no point if you are barely winning games to change to a higher variance setup
3. Opponents dont tend to be much different at the micros
2. Ask whether you want $$ per hour or higher ROI -- higher ROI stick to Reg speed
3. Adapt to Turbo for eventual higher stake play

Sounds basic, but i guess you gotta ask what you want from it.


You shouldn't even ask the highlighted question. You should always want a higher $/hour. Assuming you are playing to win money, and not just for some ego trip.


Hmm, not entirely true. I'd rather make $20/hour at a 25% ROI than make $22/hour at a 2% ROI. Much easier to deal with mentally (and much more consistent to live off if you're doing that). Sure, if it's choosing between say $20/hour and $40/hour, fair enough, but if the difference is small enough, some people (me included) would prefer a bit less of a turbulent time to help keep our mental game intact Smile . If the mental game is not in full swing from being smashed all over the place by variance, you're likely to not play your best anyway, so the figures could be misleading even. So yeah, I largely agree that we should try to maximise $/hour but if it's only a small difference, the route with less variance is usually preferred.

Wikipedia speaks a bit about this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_aversion . It's all to do with concave utility functions - trying to simultaneously minimise variance and maximise profit in the way that best suits our personal attitude to risk Smile .
U Cook Socks

I see what you are saying, but it is unlikely to be that much of a difference. If you can beat the reg speed games for 25% (I am sure this was hypothetical) then you should be able to achieve a pretty decent win rate at the turbos.

When calculating win rates and $/hour, what it doesn't add in, is waiting times. Take a look at the lobbys on your chosen site, and watch the times it takes for a Reg speed to fill at the $100s, and then watch the turbos. You could be talking a few hours a day here, difference.

You aren't making any money, waiting for tables to fill. You may not need to think about it at the micros, but as I said, if your aim is to go higher, it's something you seriously need to think about.
Brokerstar

How about playing turbos whilst waiting for the reg speed lobbies to fill?

Just throwing it out there  Rolling Eyes
U Cook Socks

Brokerstar wrote:
How about playing turbos whilst waiting for the reg speed lobbies to fill?

Just throwing it out there  Rolling Eyes


You can do both. There are certain times of day there is more action than others, it doesn't take long to work out.
Wannawin

I don't really understand why you get less varience if you have 2% roi  over 25% roi surely you will still have big up/down swings.
If you can't handle poker at a mental level then drop stakes or take a break?
Brokerstar

Wannawin wrote:
I don't really understand why you get less varience if you have 2% roi  over 25% roi surely you will still have big up/down swings.
If you can't handle poker at a mental level then drop stakes or take a break?


You get more variance the lower your ROI is.  Very Happy
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