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| kolonel |
Sick of fkn luckboxesTime and time again, villain hitting 1/2 outers.1 game >> 4 allins = 4 hits 1 game >> 2 allins = 2 hits Every fkn card is on the River too. Drives me fkn mad............. Feel better now |
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| StasKo |
i feel you man..
cant get a break from running bad just yesterday i flopped full house.. villain rivered quads! 2 games later 3 kings on board, i turn full house just to find out villain already had the fourth king! so frustrating......... and its just doesnt want to end!! |
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| kolonel |
lol, if anything, it makes us stronger..........pfffft
i know many have moaned and groaned about bad beats, but when you play well, and to get beaten or broken like that, it hurts. anyways, we need to move onwards and upwards just nice to vent every now and then 
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| StasKo |
yeah and it not only hurts emotionally but also hurts your poker goals.
with so many bad beats tilt slowly kicking in which makes me play less volume. also i decided to move down in stakes. so i start the day in a lower stake level - if i win and feel good about my play i go back to my usual stake level, but unfortunately every time i go back i get a bad run, and this pattern just repeats itself in the last week.. the only thing that keeps me motivated is the knowing that i manage to minimize my losses which i know most fish will never be able to do 
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| kolonel |
I hear you brother.
I like to get of to a winning start in the session, which i somehow manage to do most times, then wanting to finishing strong, come up with crap like that. I know i am not playing optimal poker all the time, but it seems to get me through. Stick with it mate, we'll get through it 
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| StasKo |
amen
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| kolonel |
raises it ugly head again >>>
(one game) 5 times in good to a station on the Turn, 4 times hits 2 outer, 1 time hits 3 outer..... starting to just laugh through this shite now bring it on |
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| Brokerstar |
Ha ha ha, exactly what this forum is for. Let it vent boys, let it vent! 
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| kolonel |
had a couple sukouts, but said "meh" >> then this
how do these fukkers win monies...... aggro spewtard that fkn binks it Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20.00/t40.00 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1438202 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter Hero (BB): t869.00 21.73 BBs BTN/SB: t2131.00 53.27 BBs Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with T  A
BTN/SB raises to t120, Hero raises to t869, BTN/SB calls t749 Flop: (t1738) 9 T T (2 players)
Turn: (t1738) Q (2 players)
River: (t1738) J (2 players)
Final Pot: t1738 Hero shows T A
BTN/SB shows 8 5
BTN/SB wins t1738.00 |
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| kolonel |
for fukks sake, there has to be some law of averages of these cnts hitting the River every fkn time.......... | ||||||
| blsmur |
guys I got it figured out
they dont suk out on me no more i just fold makes a difference small ball is the name of the game only small ball until you got them out chipped then if they suk out small ball them some more and then when you got the lead get them to suk out again the most they get to suk out is 3 times and then i win the last hand see you sukers
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| kolonel |
level ? | ||||||
| Jakester1288 |
Unfortunately not. |
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| Rickaby |
I get the concept of small-balling villain down to minimise the impact of suck-outs but what gives me the irrits is working my way to a 2:1 or 3:1 chip lead and then having villain suck-out 1-2 times and even the stacks. By then, the blinds warrant a more aggressive approach and either a string of woeful hole-cards or 1 more suck-out and it's curtains - all that initial hard work is then for nought.
I know it's meant to all average out and that better play should win out in the long run (not to mention my own inability to recall my own lucky suck-outs) but it still hurts. |
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| Jakester1288 |
That's not the concept of small balling at all. Good players will get sucked out on regularly (more than fish/bad players, a\t least), because they're getting it in better often. |
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| aggsyb |
I know dom wants me to contriube more posotively (sp) to the community but tbf i think ive contributed a decent amt and i feel this is just so hard to resist, you get a pass |
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| forced |
hmmmmm.... is'nt small balling a way to get a feel for your opponant, then adjusting to villan's playing style to rape and pillage chips?
Im doing it wrong again. |
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| U Cook Socks |
Thank you so much for this post, it really made my day. Should be stickied imo I think you should write a book x x x |
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| Rickaby |
@Jakester and @aggsyb - I was only trying to paraphrase blsmur rather than providing an explanation of small-balling. Whatever one does to achieve a chip lead (small-balling, raising 90% of btns, etc, etc, etc), I was merely attempting to empathise with kolonel and his OP. That's what I actually thought this post was about - a place to bemoan the all-too-common bad beat, share our frustrations and move on. I certainly didn't expect to be critiqued about my understanding (or lack thereof) of the game.
@aggsyb - why would you even bother making any comment? I mean, really, what are you getting out of saying anything? Perhaps a feeling of superiority. Does picking on a Newbie (I know it was only a soft put-down but hardly constructive) make you feel better about yourself? As Dom has pointed out and has no doubt tried to nurture, this forum is mostly free of the acerbic comments that plague other forums. If I was making a strategic point that was erroneous, I would welcome constructive feedback. However, as I have said (and perhaps am guilty of not being clear enough in my original message), I was trying to empathise and share (and, in some way, exorcise) my own frustrations. There, it would seem I have done so again and perhaps you will find a way to do the same without belittling someone else's comments. |
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| Rickaby |
Back to the original topic of this thread - how many times can a friggin' 10% dog suck out on the river? One out of ten, right? WRONG? I swear, the amount of times I watch the percentages (on William Hill, for those who don't play there, they are displayed for all-ins) of my opponent fall to (say) 7%, only to see them jump to 100% when they river a gut-shot or a set; it's gotta be more than one out of ten. It's actually happened to finish off my last 2 games (1 gutter, 1 set) which is why I'm here, venting my spleen.
I know (well, at least I hope) it's all a matter of perception and that probabilities will (should) even-out over time. And, when I've had a good run, I feel like I can take on the world. Presently, though, I feel like the poker gods (miserable SOBs) have it in for me. I also know I'm far from a good player (saves anyone having to waste their precious time pointing this out to me) but to work my way to a 2:1 or 3:1 chip lead and have that smashed to smithereens when I get it in as healthy favourite, is extremely dispiriting. I've now got to the point of expecting to see villain's 2-outer appear on the river. Just as there are stages of grief, I think there are stages of tilt and tilt-management. Whatever they are, I've moved through logic (telling myself, "Poker is a game of probabilities and it stands to reason that even 1% dogs can win."), anger (I don't need to explain that one), bemusement ("Yeah, of course he sucked out, what a joke!"), anger (yep, back again), empathy (watching others suffer bad-beats and coming to posts like this to hear others' stories), anger, take-a-breakitis ("I need to get away before I go crazy and/or break something!"), over-playitis-1 ("My luck's gotta change and if I play enough........."), back-to-the-drawing-board, self-punishment, over-playitis-2 ("How am I going to get better if I don't play?"), anger, complaining (bitching in a forum)..............well, here I am. Well, complaining hasn't helped so I might opt for take-a-break and back-to-the-drawing-board. As Wall of Voodoo said, "...I remain on the far side of crazy" |
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| hjbear |
such a troll 
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| kolonel |
LOL, i look forward to the day when i have played that many games, that those moments of variance are merely a blip on the radar. Keep at it mate, and gl. Feel free to jump on for some sweats too. Its always good to share a 1 outer hit every now and then
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| aggsyb |
Feeling infinatley better about myself about trolling. If I can only post constructive advice relentlessly over and over again, I would have quit this forum a long time ago. |
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| Rickaby |
I fear that when I've played that many games, I will be more like Phil Helmuth than the Dalai Lama. I will definitely take you up on that sweat offer, though - not to share the experience of another bad beat (although I'm sure we could spend some time bemoaning our poor fortune) but to get some added input and advice. |
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| Rickaby |
Aaaah, the mist has cleared and I have a much clearer idea of your motivations and some minor insight into your personality. As the Buddhists say, we are all suffering. I guess we all have a different way of dealing with that. Anyway, good luck with your way. |
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| kolonel |
LOL 
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| kierkegaard1 |
actually it's not. 10% will win exactly 1 in 10 times |
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| kolonel |
level ?? |
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| kolonel |
just when you thought it was safe to go back to the tables..........
BOOM - 2 outer BOOM - 3 outer BOOM - 2 outer
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| hjbear |
plz tell me ur joking kolonel? |
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| BetMagicMoney |
level ?? |
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| Rickaby |
Yeah, I must've missed that lecture during my Maths Science degree. I was probably at a Philosophy lecture, bending my mind around how perception can skew rationale - I know the maths but it just doesn't seem to ring true. This post, itself, has been an interesting exercise in perception. It would seem contexts have been mixed, points missed and emotions riding gutshot over logic. I know I have been guilty of falling prey to the trolling efforts of he-who-shall-not be-referred-to-again. Maybe this very response is a misinterpretation of kierkegaard's intent. If it was subtle humour, then I have, yet again, missed the point. If it was a genuine offer of help, I thank you and assure you that this level of maths is not beyond me. The help I need is psychological - the more I play the more crazy I get; more convinced that the maths is bogus and there really are poker gods that have it in for me. |
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| kolonel |
what do you think 
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| kolonel |
STRIKES AGAIN !!!!
Poker Stars $3.29+$0.21 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1452938 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter Hero (BTN/SB): t1420 28.40 BBs BB: t1580 31.60 BBs Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 6
Hero raises to t100, BB calls t50 Flop: (t200) 6 2 T (2 players)
BB bets t50, Hero calls t50 Turn: (t300) 5 (2 players)
BB bets t50, Hero raises to t150, BB raises to t250, Hero raises to t1270 all in, BB calls t1020 River: (t2840) T (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t2840 Hero shows 6 6 (a full house, Sixes full of Tens)
BB shows 5 T (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
BB wins t2840 |
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| kolonel |
NEXT GAME !!!!
Poker Stars $3.29+$0.21 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1452949 DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter Hero (BB): t1444 24.07 BBs BTN/SB: t1556 25.93 BBs Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BB with J A
BTN/SB raises to t120, Hero raises to t1444 all in, BTN/SB calls t1324 Flop: (t2888) Q 8 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: (t2888) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: (t2888) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t2888 Hero shows J A (high card Ace)
BTN/SB shows K 9 (a straight, Five to Nine)
BTN/SB wins t2888 Can someone tell me when the % start to come my way
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| BetMagicMoney |
hand 1 raise bigger on the turn
hand 2 yer i get that alot! |
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| Rickaby |
In the words of Phil Helmuth, "That's just sick!!" Actually, speaking of PH, I seem to remember him in a WSOPME hand where some guy called his PFR with T3o. The hand then proceeded much the same as yours. You can imagine the berating this "poor" numbskull copped. So, your villain calls as a 30% dog (don't know the match dynamics but I can't imagine too many recommending calling with T5o OOP). Then, on the flop, he drops to 3% dog but would probably think he's got the best hand. He must have felt pretty good getting it in on the turn and then sick when he saw your cards, being the 4.5% dog. Tell me, kolonel, were you sitting there saying, "Not a 10, not a 10!" And then when it came, did you laugh, cry, scream, smash something or drop into a catatonic stupor from which you've only just recovered? |
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| Rickaby |
Mate, with your history, I reckon you could give the game away (giving you the probability of not losing as 100%), only to see your BR withdrawal disappear into the ether. |
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| kolonel |
LOL, has been on the cards many a time. As another wise sage once said "find another fkn hobby" 
Hopefully, one day down the track will look at this thread/s and laugh. |