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set miningwhat's the lowest pairs you would set mine with? I mean, we could set mine with any pair, but is there a cut off point, say 88 or lower?... as opposed to 3.5x raising with? out of position. I mean like, do you have a cut off point? say it's early and you have'nt put you opponant on definitave style yet.
im wondering if I have a big leak in just calling all small pairs (oop) and seeing if I hit..... instead of raising or reraising.
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golden
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at the beginning of a match i usually will just check small pairs , i would maybe raise 88 maybe even 77, anything lower im checking, don't know my opponent yet .
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forced
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im leaning towards raising any pair any position.... possibly 4betting if the 3bet is light.. geez, now that i think of it.... I might just 3bet shove.
or I'm just getting crazy..
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golden
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crazy lol , but hey if it works 
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MrJayOMG
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For purely set value I'm looking at 22-66. Any higher & I think there is sometimes showdown value to be had with these pairs as well as set value.
The only leak would be to consider 3bet shoving small PPs without knowing you have fold equity. 3bet Shoving 22 into someone who will call wide is just throuwing away our edge.
The other problem is small PPs are hard to play post flop if we miss. If villain comes out firing in a 3bet pot can we be sure we're good when 3 overs hit?
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BetMagicMoney
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i tend to just check back 22-99 maybe raise 88 and 99 Vs LP as we haver loads of equity!
When im not raising them though im only looking to pure set mine with 22-66 as i think you can often call a street and villian will give up and you'll have the higher pair etc
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U Cook Socks
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| MrJayOMG wrote: | For purely set value I'm looking at 22-66. Any higher & I think there is sometimes showdown value to be had with these pairs as well as set value.
The only leak would be to consider 3bet shoving small PPs without knowing you have fold equity. 3bet Shoving 22 into someone who will call wide is just throuwing away our edge.
The other problem is small PPs are hard to play post flop if we miss. If villain comes out firing in a 3bet pot can we be sure we're good when 3 overs hit? |
3 bet shoving low pocket pairs when the effective stacks are like 25BB and less gives you a huge edge against players who raise tonnes of buttons.
However, I don't like to over play them early on. You just get in sticky spots with them all the time.
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MrJayOMG
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| Blazing_Saddler wrote: | | MrJayOMG wrote: | For purely set value I'm looking at 22-66. Any higher & I think there is sometimes showdown value to be had with these pairs as well as set value.
The only leak would be to consider 3bet shoving small PPs without knowing you have fold equity. 3bet Shoving 22 into someone who will call wide is just throuwing away our edge.
The other problem is small PPs are hard to play post flop if we miss. If villain comes out firing in a 3bet pot can we be sure we're good when 3 overs hit? |
3 bet shoving low pocket pairs when the effective stacks are like 25BB and less gives you a huge edge against players who raise tonnes of buttons.
However, I don't like to over play them early on. You just get in sticky spots with them all the time. |
Kinda agree, I work to different effective stack ranges. Under 20BBs I'm probably openshoving small PPs against certain players. 20-40 I'd prob limp shove.
I'm open to suggestion on this one, but our edge is lowered against a player who is happy to stack off with almost any two, is it not? I'd prefer not to flip against a maniac, but then if we are 25bb eff stx we know something about villain.
[Feel free to ignore, I'm just thinking out loud!]
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BetMagicMoney
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i tend to 3bet shove all pairs as long as villian raises more than about 25% when <30BB mainly because you have some fold equity and you often get it in Vs Ax type hands that you 56% against if not better!
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MrJayOMG
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Maybe I'm just a huge nit!
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BetMagicMoney
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| MrJayOMG wrote: | Kinda agree, I work to different effective stack ranges. Under 20BBs I'm probably openshoving small PPs against certain players. 20-40 I'd prob limp shove.
I'm open to suggestion on this one, but our edge is lowered against a player who is happy to stack off with almost any two, is it not? I'd prefer not to flip against a maniac, but then if we are 25bb eff stx we know something about villain.
[Feel free to ignore, I'm just thinking out loud!] |
yer i open shove pairs <20BB - 20+ i think dephends alot on our opponent!
yer in theroy if your playing some one with a wide calling range then are edge is smaller because we have very little fold equity but im still going to shove as we are ahead of any unpaired hand!
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U Cook Socks
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| MrJayOMG wrote: | | Blazing_Saddler wrote: | | MrJayOMG wrote: | For purely set value I'm looking at 22-66. Any higher & I think there is sometimes showdown value to be had with these pairs as well as set value.
The only leak would be to consider 3bet shoving small PPs without knowing you have fold equity. 3bet Shoving 22 into someone who will call wide is just throuwing away our edge.
The other problem is small PPs are hard to play post flop if we miss. If villain comes out firing in a 3bet pot can we be sure we're good when 3 overs hit? |
3 bet shoving low pocket pairs when the effective stacks are like 25BB and less gives you a huge edge against players who raise tonnes of buttons.
However, I don't like to over play them early on. You just get in sticky spots with them all the time. |
Kinda agree, I work to different effective stack ranges. Under 20BBs I'm probably openshoving small PPs against certain players. 20-40 I'd prob limp shove.
I'm open to suggestion on this one, but our edge is lowered against a player who is happy to stack off with almost any two, is it not? I'd prefer not to flip against a maniac, but then if we are 25bb eff stx we know something about villain.
[Feel free to ignore, I'm just thinking out loud!] |
I agree, against a total station, who is going to call your 25 BB shove with 107s , I think it's marginally + EV at best to 3 bet shove them with 22.
My 3 bet shoving range is quite wide against aggressive players, cos you can't let them walk all over you, but if they are the kind that are calling with all kinds of shit, then there are obviously better ways to exploit them.
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