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| rubenfox |
Rubenfox bankrollbuildingAllright see lots of threads like these so throw my own one in here also.My goal is too play higher and higher in stakes and keep beating them, hopefully trough the 50$ level , and maybe get a second income from it. Also started coaching from Broker, hope it pays out. Deposited 100$ and playing the 2.15 reg speeds at full tilt When im at 150$ im going too play the 5.25 want minimum 30 buyins ex rake for next level here so far played 53 games 19.4 roi and 22.05$ profit 
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| fastcolt |
gl mate , pic worked :p | ||
| rubenfox |
yeah thanks for the help, but also see next too the picture the link how can i remove it? |
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| fastcolt |
yeah its downfall of imageshack, just do edit ur post, and remove the text that u can now so
dont remove whatever represents the picture just the url part |
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| Step DAAD |
Off to a good start! GL!! | ||
| rubenfox |
your the bomb |
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| rubenfox |
bankroll 127.70 ex rakeback (still hasnt paid out by affiliate) played almost no games couple off days, busy with work ,girlfriend bla bla bla. but im keep crusshin the 2's roi 22%, when at 150$ im starting with the 5's |
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| aggsyb |
great stuff ruben fella | ||
| rubenfox |
Well this doesnt help too get too the 150$$ mark
bankroll 121$ ev 146$ roi 12% ev roi 25% had some tilt issues @#&%$#@ at the 2.15 (has been awhile when going monkeytilt) have played 5 games 5.25 went 3-2 gonna grind the 2.15 too get some confidence back and hopefully bend the ev graph!!!! |
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| rubenfox |
BR: 139 ex. rakeback ROI 14.2% still below under ev but not dissapointed till now Up too 150$ and then try the 5.25$ games go go go. |
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| rubenfox |
Fuckin break even strech and more buyns below ev.
roi 9.5 ev roi 16.8 guess god's favorite pet is a donk 
bankroll still 139 goal is for november too reach the 150$ mark and able and maintain the 5$ level must be easy done but give me a good running strech please!!!!! 
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| bridgegunner |
keep it strong bro i know u can do it | ||
| rubenfox |
last games played i played well total roi 11.4% , ev roi 17.9%
bankroll 151 finally over the 150$ mark now from now i'll go playing the 2.15$ and the 5.25$ reg speeds in a mixture and if im fully confident then im only be playing the 5.25$ If my bankroll drops too 140$ i'll only be playing the 2.15$ reg speeds. yeah bankrollnit graph till now: 
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| kantor1003 |
Good luck sir:) You'll no doubt beat the 5s as well. The only difference between them is the terrible rake at the 2s:/ From then it's the 10s, and I don't think there is too much difference between the 10s and 5s either:) | ||
| rubenfox |
ok finally a good run, very satisfying
roi 14% ev roi 20% winnings including rakeback: 65$ hope the doomswitch doesnt come too soon 
still playing a mixture of 2.15$ and the 5.25$ 
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| rubenfox |
Obvious heater, but hope its hot a long time 
2.15$ roi 14.3% 184 games 5.25$ roi 27.0% 12 games winnings: 78 inc. rakeback Bankroll 178$ 
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| Brokerstar |
Graph is looking solid my man and looks like you're starting to catch up with your EV finally.
Nice work man. |
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| bridgegunner |
looks awesome and its true not much difference between the 5,10's | ||
| rubenfox |
almost cant take more moneyz under EV
run so horrible!!!!!!! almost going crazy EV roi 19.4 % real roi 12.7% winning incl rakeback 68$ 
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| BetMagicMoney |
yer veriance does seem to own you!!!!
Just keep at it. it'll swing your way adventualy
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| bridgegunner |
just concentrate on making the right decisions and the ev will work itself out | ||
| rubenfox |
update from my part.
too put in some more volume i havent done any tableselection from game 210 trough approx. game 300 results were horrible mostly played 2.15 (still find the 5$ a big jump, im a nit) so after game 300 i have table selected and ran hottter than hot only played the 2.15$ games. Bankroll now 212 dollar (including 100$ deposit) 2.15$ 328 games roi 11.7% 5.25$ 15 games roi 14.3% the graph is screwed 
now my game plan is: only play when tableselecting!! im confident that i beat the 2.15$, so now putting more volume in the 5.25$ games and if bankroll dropped down too 200$ play the 2.15$ again till above 200 $ |
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| rubenfox |
grinding continues
bankroll 250$ winnings 150$ including rakeback 2.15$ 425 games 11.2 roi 5.25$ 21 games 17.9 roi 
Goals: -finish brokers course (leakfinders) -play more games at the 5.25$ level -more grinding=more voume=more $$$$ |
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| rubenfox |
keeps going good with the grind
bankroll 277 $ winnings 177$ 469 games 2.15$ 12.3% roi 22 games 5.25$ 21.2% roi 
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| FunkMastah |
That's lookin good, man!
Hopefully I will catch my EV too, seems like it's on the move. |
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| icemanv6 |
Solid graph mate. | ||
| rubenfox |
yeey bankroll >300
from now playing the 5$ ONLY trough the 400$ mark average roi 13.8% 
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| JamEaze |
Nice one buddy! | ||
| rubenfox |
The 5's are fun
keeeeeeeep running good please (doomswitch doesnt exist lol) 
bankroll now 332$ 
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| icemanv6 |
Good stuff keep it up
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| rubenfox |
bankroll now 358$
roi at the 5$ is 31% with 45 games reg. speed roi at the 2$ is 13% with 520 games reg. speed everybody says that the 5$ level is the same as the 2$ level and i totally agree except the rake is less at the 5$ ,so im only playing the 5$ from now on when i have a bankroll of 400 or maybe even 450 im planning too play the 10$ level. no doomswitch please
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| U Cook Socks |
Really nice work there mate.
I can tell you for a fact, you are ready to take the $10s now. They are pretty much the same as the $5s. You may come across the odd player with half a brain, but not to often. However, it is nice to see someone being patient, and having a plan. It will take you a long way. Looks like you have been really patient, and a getting the rewards for it. Really well done. |
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| rubenfox |
thank you Blazing
but still i think that most of my winnings are not from that im so good, but the players at the low stakes are so bad. |
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| U Cook Socks |
Please don't think like that. For one thing, if you can beat the $5s, you can definitely beat the $20s. That doesn't mean jump straight in at the $20s, but you can do it. There are obviously some better players up there, but loads of the usual fish you are used to, as well. Don't forget, in the mean time, you will be working hard to improve all the time, before you get there. Always remember a fish is a fish, no matter what the stakes are. A calling station still needs to be value bet thinly against, and all the other usual adjustments you are making to player types still apply. You don't have to be the worlds greatest poker player, all you ever have to be, is better than the players you are playing, and you will make money (eventually) |
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| rubenfox |
update: bankroll now 403$ including 100$ deposit
roi at the 5$ is 24% with 92 games when im at the 450$ im going too play the 10$ level. and if dropped too the 400$ i will be playing the 5$ again till im at 450$ 
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| z1s6arn |
Wow! Thats exactly my plan! Good luck to the first finish line! | ||
| The Little Fish |
Good luck mate. Doing great so far. | ||
| rubenfox |
bankroll now 425$
graph from the 5$: roi 23 % a little below ev 25 $ more and 10's here i come!! 
2$ and 5$ 
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| welshdentist |
sic looking graphs mate, keep it going
wd |
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| z1s6arn |
Cheers for the congrats mate. The way your going your gonna kill it! | ||
| BetMagicMoney |
epic win ITT
wp mate i see you at high stakes in no time
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| rubenfox |
bankroll now 452$
gonna take shots at the 10's now, and drop too the 5$ at 400$ GOGOGOGOGO 2$ 520 games 13.4% roi 5$ 131 games 23.6% roi 
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| welshdentist |
Awesome work!!!!!! | ||
| rubenfox |
and won my first 10$ game
GOGOGOGO |
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| z1s6arn |
Awesome work! Nearly there to the $500 mark! Feels awesome! Only a few days and you'll be there! Could be anytime soon! | ||
| Brokerstar |
That graph looks god like my man, really epic!!! | ||
| rubenfox |
bankrol went too 483$
but then the problems start, fishes keep 2 outering me and hit miracle cards the result was that i was tilting and played below my normal game and have spewn off a couple of buyins which i normally dont do, the next day i made the loss almost back and then you guess it maybe i was too tired or i dont know what the reason was but had spewn off again 5 or 6 byins till the roll was 450$ was almost going too play the 50$ level but resisted it and then i realised that a big part of my bankroll what ive had build in a several months was in danger. so withdrewn 300$ too my netelleraccount. and will now play with 150$ the 5$ games and maybe after a couple of weeks if there is not any big improvement im then thinking about quiting poker totally because the effort and hours you have too make too earn decent money is not in balance for me i have a full time job, a girlfriend, dont have so many time too grind losses back and move up any higher when watching at my results im still a 18% roi winner at the 5's but dont thingk its worth at all peace all too you and gl. |
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| Reseal |
That's a shame to hear that you'd consider quitting full stop. Poker is such a grind at the low stakes, you have to literally put in hundreds of hours to get to the first few thousand in profit I feel. But I see it all as an economic investment in time that will surely pay off huge in the future if you stay at it.
Anyway, good luck with the rebuild and I hope you don't quit
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| z1s6arn |
We know how you feel.
Man up and walk away from poker for a minimum of a weeks mate. Put yourself on a 2 week exclusion. That will protect your bank roll and when you get that habitual urge to play over the next week you wont be able to access your account. You will get that urge when you do this... I promise you... It goes somthing like oh I feel like playing today why dont I try to see if I can win some games to see if Im ready yet blblabla. Then you lose coz your not ready then you quit....! We dont want that mate! The below quote is a dangerous thought. Re-read this when you come back and you'll understand.....
Remember how far you have come on top of all the commitments you have. Trying to fit in poker as a career around a full time job is hard enough and then you have the responsibility of keeping up your social life. Thats no easy feet mate. I only speak to my gf once per week as shes in France. I have cut all my studying down to do this. When I go to 'real' work' Im knackered, so I really respect you. I dont think I could do what you are trying to accomplish. Your just tired. Thats all. This is great character building for you and you have come so far already. There is no way your going to throw this away coz your burning out and dont know that all it will take is a few weeks rest. It may take you double the time if not more than somebody studying full time. This is why most people who get a job cannot leave it because they are stuck. They are unfortunately a necessary evil. It takes 2 yrs of saving to earn 6 months basic living costs. It takes 6months or more to retrain in most things and with anything you can only really call yourself experienced after 3-5yrs. Now just imagine where you could be in 2 yrs whilst studying part time which by the way is next to near impossible for most.....its a sacrifice for a potentially much more rewarding future I cant tell you what to do with your life. Nobody can not even your mum mate. Only you can. I can advise you put the 2 week or more exclusion on. Do anything except poker. Have a holiday...its well deserved. Sleep, bum about go and do things that are fun. Eat well. Exercise etc etc. I have high hopes for you...we all do...I believe you have got what it takes given enough time. This is not rocket science. Its self control, experience and pattern recognition. Its a very easy way to make an easy living when all the muscle memory is in place. But getting there is the hard part. Think it over..... Your next few decisions will literately dictate the rest of your life....no need to be hasty
Take care brother, z1 p.s I also might need some loving soon, we all go through these times you know.... p.p.s When you come back, come back well rested and take poker in its stride. You wont have lost any time you'll have gained so much from resting. Get your BR back together (about $450 right?) and start off the first few days a stake down/lower volume from where you left off and build up the steam engine gradually and in no time you'll be at $500 and you can start planning from there......... p.p.p.s If you can self exclude 3 weeks take it..... |
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| rubenfox |
thanks for your comment z1
i'll definately take a break maybe when im ready for it, first day of april will be my first log in in to full tilt. bankroll is still 450$, but withdrawn 300$ because off tilt issues. plan is too play the 5's with the 150$ and go from there. gl with the grind |
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| peteoaten |
Read this whole thread. Take a break get your hunger back, but man, your killing the game, if i was a betting man (oh i am lol) i would wager that your $150 will quickly out grow what you withdrew to Neteller. Your graphs / bankroll management and tilt control should inspire others. | ||
| z1s6arn |
See you on the 1st! x | ||
| z1s6arn |
Ruben???
Is everything ok mate? You ready to come back and sharpen up? |
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| rubenfox |
well im on life tilt this moment if you ss me rubenfox on full tilt you'll see
got the money in the games in good aa>942 flop vs 9T in a 50$ game two pair> tp on flop in 30$ game and some more suckouts by villains know i played above my roll (stupid me, and lost therefor 160$) the money doesnt care me i have almost 40k in euro's from my work savings, but the constant suckouts by villains really affects me know im the better player vs them and its demotivating if they constant hit when the money was already in, and find it hard too motivate too keep playing getting the variance out. im not playing this whole month i think and going too study my ass off maybe going too sweat someone or getting some leakfinders by brokerstar still got 2 hours from him but havent done it yet. maybe this is the time, and study hard! thanks for your interessed and gl at the tables |
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| z1s6arn |
 What are we gonna do with you mate!
Learn from it learn to laugh about it and dont take yourself or this fickle game so damn seriously to get yourself in this position in the first place. Go on have a good laugh you sill billy. hahahah you moved up to the $10s then $20s then $30s oh just one more you went for a $50... Looking back you know very well this was a ridiculous set of decisions, this is what happens when your R-complex reptilian brain takes control under a perceived high psychological stress situation. It shuts down your higher thought prcocess (common sense). Now I hope you learned your lesson. give yourself a slap on the hand for it keep your head up and never let it drop. Stay at the $5s and work your graph back up. Never reset that graph becasue its a great reminder of what has happened in the past. Its OK to make mistakes but its NOT OK to NOT learn from them.... Chin up brother. You are only human..... Whatever you decide to do only focus on improving your game and building your bank roll.....if you focus on failure and your lossess and not being a good poker player or having what it takes you will manifest this into reality. What you think about the most will happen the most. If you think about doing well the most you will most certainly do well....this works even if you dont believe what you are telling yourself....but the more you say it the more you begin to believe it......ironic yeah? I have also noticed this has happened once before. Time to stop doing this now Ruben. I know you already know this...... |
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| rubenfox |
update:
playing on pokerstars now because of the huge action there. after playing some games the difference between ft and ps is i think there are more fish at ps. running an 29% roi after 15 games mix of turbo and reg speeds at the 5$ 6$ level bankroll now total 375$ but playing at pokerstars with 155$ because of an very big leak i have and its named TILT so the rest is at neteller for insurance. gonna play with the 155$ to over the 200$ mark and than play some 10$ GOGOGO gl at the tables |