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savrababa

Red line

Can someone explain what the red line is?
BetMagicMoney

it shows the expected values of all you allins in terms of money! so say you get allin for even stacks and your a 60/40 favorite and you win HEM will mark you as running above EV and will say you should have only won about even eg/.

$10 BI Hem would say you should win about 12 dollars (see that if you win your actually winning $20)

So in this example your EV graph would go up by about 2 dollars and your green would go up by 10

say you had the same flip and you lost! Your red line would go up by $2 but your green line would go down by $10

so if you win your running $8 over EV
if you loses your running $12 under EV

Remember that after infinite hands your red line = your green line, ducy!?

that should explain it to you Smile

But do remember EV graphs aren't really great way to track anything in HUSNGs!
savrababa

Thanks mate. Smile
aggsyb

BetMagicMoney wrote:

But do remember EV graphs aren't really great way to track anything in HUSNGs!


They help but do keep in mind that your going to be jamming wide 10-12bb deep so ur EV will look bad (Short term) sometimes when called and also in standard cooler spots your EV will plummet so if your running into hands for 50-100 games which is std u can look horrible on redline which just isnt the case.
savrababa

Well right now it just confirms that I was running pretty bad in the last games.




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They help but do keep in mind that your going to be jamming wide 10-12bb deep so ur EV will look bad (Short term) sometimes when called and also in standard cooler spots your EV will plummet so if your running into hands for 50-100 games which is std u can look horrible on redline which just isnt the case.


Hopefully at these stakes ($7) in reg speeds and using a small ball strategy, I am not going to have to jam wide too often but yeah I get what you mean..

One more thing..
How do I open the hand replayer in HEM? I just installed it and I can't really find it anywhere..
Wannawin

forget the red line!!! people use it as an excuse for running bad, when they should be spending more time reviewing hands and making sure they are making the right decisions. run bad and run good will balance in the very long run
U Cook Socks

The red line is pretty meh.

I mean for an example of why it doesn't tell the whole story. You flop a set, and set the stacks up to shove the river. They guy calls you down really weak, and rivers some random straight or somet like that, you get $0 EV for that, but in reality you have just owned him.

Also, look at it this way, it takes a long time for it to even out to anything meaningful. For an example, if you win 10 games in a row (I should be so lucky) You are going to be running above EV for those 10 games almost always, unless you got all the chips in as a 100% favourite each game. If you get it in AKv AQ for full stacks in the first hand of the match, the other guy is getting 25% of the ev for that.

I agree with the statement above, just concentrating on reviewing games, and making sure you made no mistakes will serve you better than looking at the red line. Concentrate on things you can affect, not those that you can't.
savrababa

Thanks for the detailed explanation mate.
Tbh I expected someone to come out and say something like that. Smile
I didn't put much importance to my red line, it just was a nice little boost of confidence for me, since I felt like I was dealing with pretty bad variance but played pretty well.
kolonel

Wannawin wrote:
forget the red line!!! people use it as an excuse for running bad,


Very much this.  And i know from experience  Embarassed

I think it is in peoples DNA to find something to reason with when things are not going well.  I went through it at stages thinking "well below EV line, cant be too bad, it'll turn around" but not doing anything actively about it, instead of thinking "what can i do to minimise this ?".  I would say the best thing after every session is to go through your HH to confirm how you played.
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