raise, shove river:)

doodiewiz · raise, shove river:)

What do you think of this line? Villian is a typical TAG and winning player in small to mid stakes with 11% ROI(looks like he's building a roll), so i know he's got a brain and i thought he was playing quite standard against me. Cbetting a lot, ran one or two double/tripple barrels on obvious boards. I was pulling some pretty crazy moves on this guy, because sometimes regs behave so predictably. Also I'd only been caught bluffing small and rarely and he'd hero called me in some spots where my range was likely to be weak and i always showed the goods. Although in other spots i was bluffing a load, which he was of course aware of, but he hadn't figured out what i was up to yet imo.

Love making this play(maybe a bit donk), but i only do it once maybe twice a match against certain opps. That's why I'm posting(brag). I think i look so strong when i call, call, shove and he's so likely to fold imo without the k and i think he's either bluffing, got a 9 and puts me on draws or weak pairs until i shove the river:) Anyway, interested in whether this is good, bad or not worth it for the chips i'm gaining and the times he calls? It puts him in a tough position i think...

Poker Stars, $6.67 + $0.33 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
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BTN: 1,500
Hero (BB): 1,500

Pre-Flop: (45) A

6

dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 60, Hero calls 30

Flop: (120) 3

9

K

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 60, Hero calls 60

Turn: (240) K

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 150, Hero calls 150

River: (540) 7

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 270, Hero raises to 1,230 and is All-In, BTN folds

Results: 1,080 Pot
Hero showed A

6

and WON 1,080 (+570 NET)

Borg7

(probably) fold flop, fold turn, fold river

Jakester1288

Flop call is fine, folding turn though. Lots of people can't fire 2/3 barrels on these boards, and they're often correct not to barrel off.

doodiewiz

Jakester1288

This is a bad board to barrel, so anyone competent wont be barrelling after we c/c the flop, unless they're good enough to know we've got some Ax floats, and not much strong Kx, which at $7's, I doubt.

doodiewiz

yeah looking now i must admit i have doubts lol

If this was mortal combat it felt like a special ninja move at the time, but its probably more like hacking all the buttons and getting rewarded...

edit: is a fairly dry flop though..but yeah once called i guess can put them on a flush draw, 9x, even 3x sometimes, PPs...

aggsyb

fold flop

Brokerstar

The king on the turn doesn't change the board from your perspective so I would imagine that when he fires again and is a 'standard TAG' type player then he's likely value betting as opposed to just randomly barreling.

So it kind of looks like you're making a play, for the sake of making a play and hoping it works.

If there was more to your reasoning such as "I had notes that he snap fires turn when he's weak and times slightly strong and in this case he snap fired so based on that I decided to make an elaborate play", then that's one thing. But here, I have to say my man that it looks a little bit hit and hope and a results orientated brag? Rolling Eyes

Don't let that discourage you from thinking outside the box but this isn't a line that I would go out of my way to use personally without super strong, specific reads and even then I can't imagine it would form a huge part of my game plan.

Run good man.

Broker

doodiewiz

Cheers for the replies guys. Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head Dom. "for the sake of making a play" and being results orientated. I do do this a bit if I think on the river I can get them to fold if shoved on. All experimentation I guess - must make sure I don't turn into an uber donk in the process.

Running ok at the mo in general so I'll think ill stick to solid play from now on!!

BetMagicMoney

U Cook Socks

It does look like good old fashioned spew to be fair Very Happy

chesslw

What type of flops should we be peeling with Ax then? Does the board have to be very dry, or maybe like here but we have Ac instead (backdoor flushdraw).

Because if we are folding flops like this, vs an opponent who cbets a high%, probably calling preflop with an off-suit ace becomes -EV..

chesslw

fwiw, imo his line really looks like air/A9/TT-QQ,AA (orKx with low kicker???)...

It would seem that his most likely holding is something like QJ, Q10, J10. Or a fd.

Edit: missed fd.

doodiewiz

chesslw....yeah all that sort of stuff. Personally, I think he had 9x most likely after other hands he'd had in his range in this situation and he value bet quite thin. Also when the board pairs I def think he's going for 3 streets of value with 9x. I really think he's folding nearly everything but Kx when we shove the river...as he was quite nitty...not defending this anymore as i disown the thread lol and it was well spewy, but that was my thought!

I think perhaps we can peel here occasionaly if for instance he cbets every flop and gives up on the turn when weak for instance...or just reads dependant imo...