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| Nathan.Hall95 |
Question for turbo grinders on full tiltI recently moved from reg. speed to turbos on Full tilt. The turbo players seem to be just awful trying to get there chips in as soon as possible. Over the last 3 days i'm down 15 buy ins because i'm getting so unlucky when the chips go in. Most of the time its when we are close to equal in stacks and I guess there tired of playing or something but guys are calling my shove with J8s, Ax, etc. I'm putting it in with 2 pair only to lose to a runner runner flush, my big pairs are losing to small pairs all in pre-flop. I did win 3 games on tilt when I put the money in really bad and won each time. I guess i'm just bitching and moaning but now i'm stuck grinding the fucking 10's again. 3 days ago I was ready to take shots at the 30's. I'm not sure if there's a question in this awful post but whatever its bbv. |
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| Nathan.Hall95 |
These are my last all in preflop hands
A10 to A6 , I lose A7 to A4, I lose AA to Q10, I lose (this one on the Q high flop, he goes all in, turn 10) QQ to KJ, I lose QQ to A6, I lose A7 to A3, I lose 66 to AJ, I lose 66 to AK, I lose (all in on QQ5 flop, turn 10, river 10) No shit these are all from today, didn't put in converter because I will tilt more taking that much time........anyone else get shit on like this? |
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| forced |
constantly.... down alot lately because of sh1t like this..... although i dont play ace rag hands, and not going all in with low pocket pair either. | ||||
| U Cook Socks |
Thats a pretty big leak imo. Folding Aces, and any pocket pair when the effective stacks are below 20bb (or higher with pocket pairs) Is a huge leak, like gigantic, bigger than calling down against a station with middle pair. imo that is. |
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| BetMagicMoney |
^^ I second this! | ||||
| ScootNM |
I think all those hands (including your opponents) are all decent shove hands if the stack sizes are appropriate. Looks like you lost some coin flips and took some bad beats.......variance will help you out eventually though! 
That is true of FTP turbos, they can literally turn into a coin flip quickly if the stacks are similiar. I've heard Broker say a number of times that he prefers a more conservative style that doesn't allow his opponent to double up when you have him widdled down to 15-20BB...and I think one reason is so you decrease the odds of having to turn the game into a coin flip. IMO I kind of like Stars' turbos for this reason. They are kind of in between FTPs reg and turbo games. Scott |
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| U Cook Socks |
Stars Turbos are pretty good, although the blinds just explode from 25/50- 50/100 in the blink of an eye, but there is definitely enough in them to have a decent edge. |
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| Nathan.Hall95 |
Yea i know some are just flips and some are bad beats. But when I have some tard pushing in his stack after I take 300 chips from him with KJ against my QQ and he hits the river I want to Mel Gibson scream and punch the wall. Luckily I don't (wife might freak out,lol) I just get back on the horse the next day and try to keep getting it in with the best of it.
P.s. The first 5 hands I displayed in the first post were all back to back thats why I freaked out and posted it. Sorry to everyone, I won't be someone who just bitches in the forums  (hopefully!)
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| ScootNM |
Well, I'm a newbie; but I think this the right thread for it! | ||||
| forced |
well i guess it's all relative..... my mind has been not been geared to hu lately... | ||||
| YATHINNK |
Was gonna say, thought you were playing more 6-max now? |
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| YATHINNK |
Am I the only one who likes that they do that? |
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| aggsyb |
Has its pro's and cons , its nice vs agressive people when ur running into cards and terrible boards to bluff at as they cant exploit you anymore by horrendus sizing as soon as ur around 12bb deep, on the other hand it sucks vs some1 who has very specific tells post or v passive pre and decides there gunna play shove fold at 14-15bb |
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| z1s6arn |
n.b To any readers I always keep editing a post until its complete so if you have read this just check it again for and update close to the time of submission.
I had a similar stint on my French full tilt account. I had a list longer than yours my friend. Maybe triple in length with beats like it.... I can assure you you are not alone. There was quite a big life lesson from it...not just poker. By writing out all my bad beats...it began to tilt me more and more and more....as I would play I wud constantly worry that full tilt was rigged or I was just going to get sucked out on. Even you have become self aware and written that this has caused you to tilt and get lucky sucking out yourself. IF you wite down all the times you were beaten then your mind is focussed on losing and how bad life is treating you. This will really effect your game mate and it looks like you may now be more inclined to go down the coin flipping road to prove to yourself your jinxed..... Maybe maybe not..... Now never ever write another bad beats list again and build a habit of writing a good beats list of where you got it in good and it held or you coin flipped and won or you got it in behind and sucked out...... Buy a little pocket book and always have it open next to your comp and write in the good hands.... like 66 vs AK and you know that means you know a low pocket pair held up...or you hit tips on flop and he hit the same trips but your kicker was better so you write better trips kicker vs same trips etc etc Keep rereading this list if a bad beat comes along......and reminding yourself of all the times the poker gods backed you instead..... Great example I got sucked out with QQ vs KJs. He hit K. Another against a fishtard -52% he had a open ended draw and called off his stack on turn vs my 2 pair. He hit on the river...I read my notes and thought...thats poker....then noticed a hand where I called an all in with AJs vs AK on a sng and caught a J on the river.....but I kept focussing on all my winning moments....it keeps you focussed and calm...... If you do it for the rest of your poker career it will help you massively in the long term....keep doing it and trust me...if you do it for a day or week then forget and go back to the start of this thread then you have let your subconscious take right back over and you'll lose alot of money/reduce your winnings considerably..... Your call.... p.s A note from Cog dissonance and some of my own thoughts....When you are in a preflop flipping situation.... If you shove and he calls the moment the card appear preflop...put your hands over your eyes and rock your head upwards and dont ever look at the flop or find out what happened. Always in that space of time prepare how you will feel and what you will think when the hand ends. I always remind myself of why I shoved or why I called and if I win then great and if I suck out I visualize how I want to feel. If you dont have a plan of how you want to feel at then end and it doesnt go your way.. again you will tilt.... Never look at the hand history to find out what was on the flop. IF you look and he sucked out it will tilt you. IF you are watching the flop it will make you emotional and needy which is actually tilting you. If you go back to the hand history that information will tilt you. You never drop your head because its associated with depression and defeat so always keep your head up. When you put your hands over your eyes its naturally associated with a suprise and excitement. So be aware of this and train yourself to think calm and serious thoughts. Say a few words to yourself. Like calm, relaxed and professional. No big deal. I got it in good and I made the right decisions etc etc... This is universally applied advice to all poker players to learn how to maintain a calm focussed/objective and positive demeanour at all times.... |
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| blsmur |
I am trying something here (donkey Pooh !) no it doesnt work backwards we have all had these sorts of beats and we all still do i used to play turbos all the time on tilt i tend to play std game now anyway if you have a hand to get all in with just limit it to the better ones when you have a big stack and try outplay with out going all in these turbo are very loose so catch your self a set or 2 pair before succumbing to the all in of course all in preflop is valid if you shortstacked you cant play poker without chips so if i short i shove any Ace or BW and most pp pretty tight shoving range i think |