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| sootedninjas |
Post Flop ChecklistI'm trying get better on my post flop play. I have played over 5k of SNG-MTT and if you played this games then you know it is mostly pre-flop auto-robot style and hardly no post flop. That is why I suck post flop because this part of my game was never develop.So my question is geared towards "reader of souls" out there that can help me develop my post flop play. What kind of questions do you ask yourself during post flop to develop a read against your opponent ? I know there will be wide range of questions for every situation that is why I'm trying to figure it out one question at a time. ex. Dry Board - What kind of situations or actions that can occur on a dry board ? Does opponent stab on the pot ? Does he check ? When opp is OOP does he float my bet ? So as opponnent perform certain actions I have a mental counter of his actions, like an ACTIVE HUD if you will, then exploit those tendencies later on. But I have to know what kind of questions/actions I am looking for. So it's like I'm trying to breakdown post flop play CHAPTER by CHAPTER. Am I making sense at all. Reagrds..... |
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| JamEaze |
So early on I try and figure out two things:
What are his standard lines? And how does he respond to some of our standard lines? Once we have worked these out and can classify as LAG, LP, TP etc we can adjust our game to him. Start out trying to work out what his cbet on the flop is. 1/2 pot? 3/4 pot? Pot? There is a huge amount of info to be had and exploited right on the flop |
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| sootedninjas |
thanks for your reply. I'll responded to it a little later when I come back from teaching martial arts. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Do you use a hud? | ||||
| RamsdenF |
Post play is very dynamic. First thing i was ask is how does he respond to my half pot stabs? In position early on, i will make little stabs at alot of pots to see how he reacts. If he lets me keep stabbing and stealing then i will continue. If he tends to peel often, whats he have? pair? fdraw?sdraw? Find a spot where you can pay cheaply to gain information, then use that info to place bad guy on hands and exploit him. | ||||
| JamEaze |
I agree with everything here... except the last part. We never pay cheaply for information... we perhaps are willing to give up a small percentage of value with a strong holding, but we never just pay someone off with junk or an overly marginal spot just for information. |
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| RamsdenF |
If the board is 10c, 5h, Js, 8h, 2c and your holding something like pocket 6
s. The pot has been controlled and on the river the bad guy throws in a min raise. You fold there? I personally call and gather information based upon his hand...ok so he limps with this range, checks the flop with nothing, but bets min on river looking to get value for x pair, etc etc. Just my personal practice. Im an information gatherer and if it cost me 20 more chips to learn something i will. |
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| sootedninjas |
yes I do have a HUD. Personally speaking if you are 1 tabling or 2 tabling then using a HUD is not exactly helping you out in developing your post flop play. I mean if you are 1/2 tabling you better pay attention to the game instead of relying to your HUD. Sure you can use the HUD for some information that you have missed. With that said, I do use a HUD when playing MTTs which I usually play 8 to 10 tables because there is no way I can pay attention to every action going on on the tables with 9 players on each table. |
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| sootedninjas |
that's the thing. What questions should you ask yourself to breakdown the standard lines that your opponent has taken. |
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| sootedninjas |
Never say never. sometimes I will just to see what kind of hands he is playing for that particular spot, particular line, particular flop texture. By seeing his hand it GIVES YOU COMPLETE INFORMATION for that particular situation. |
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| MrJayOMG |
The main thing I'm looking for are along the lines of what JamEaze said
I'm looking for indications of when he is weak & when he is strong & how he reacts to our betting. So if he donks pot & we figured that is weak, does he fold to our raise or is he a station & still calls. Or does he slowplay his monsters & just flat calls our leads or try to get it in there & then. |
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| ChrisB |
I think you just need to play a lot of flop+turn+river to practice...maybe try the deepstack sngs that allow for a bit more postflop play?
I do most of the same in the beginning as has already been said, how do the villains react to my play and what does it mean when they check/call check/raise? When I get donked into and its less than 75% pot I will always raise it the first time on any board. You will be surprised how many fish are out there who will donk oop on every flop and fold to a raise when they miss, but simply check and call when they flop something. It's all about breaking down their entire game so you can simply take advantage. Some games you will play villains that are simply so maniacal (particularly lowstakes) and erratic that you cannot make sense of their game, I cant give you much advice other than to figure it out early in a match rather than late. |
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| JamEaze |
By "The pot has ben controlled" what do we mean here? If its 20 on the river when its been checked all the way, this isnt paying someone off. This is calling because he has looked weak throughout the hand and we are still ahead of some of his range. Il call bigger bets than that if I think I have showdown value for sure. Possibly not the greatest example admittedlly. |
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| JamEaze |
Each villain will play in slightly different ways so difficult to give a standard example here. But after 15-20 hands you should have a strong profile of how he plays air, draws, made hands and monsters, and adapt your game. Like ChrisB said, practise makes perfect here. |