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| dzikijohnny |
Overbetting with nut flush on riverNot sure if I lost value on this river shove when I bet 150% of the pot as allin. Really having trouble bet sizing when in and oop with the nuts. Hand reading wise I had to put this guy on a club to call my big bet on the turn. So I guess I should have bet closer to pot on river. But, to me that looks stronger than a shove. With a shove here I think I am looking bluffy and could expect to be called by any good (7+) club. Help please.Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] Hero (BTN): 2,015 BB: 3,985 Pre-Flop: (45) K  A dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to 90, BB calls 60 Flop: (180) K  6 4 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 120, BB calls 120 Turn: (420) 2 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 330, BB calls 330 River: (1,080) 8 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,475 and is All-In, BB folds Results: 1,080 Pot Hero showed K A and WON 1,080 (+555 NET)
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| golden |
I would probably bet around half pot. Better chance to get paid off with a smaller flush, and if he has Q k clubs he would probably re raise on the river.
especially players at that level, it's hard for them to let go of any medium flush when your only betting half the pot. |
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| Brokerstar |
You'll be amazed the amount of players that cant fold any flush to any bet at this level.. lol 
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| Brokerstar |
Also OP how is the guy playing? If he's very loose, how about making all of your bets bigger? Pre flop, flop and turn bets which create a situation on the river where you don't need to over bet as you've built the pot correctly from start to finish. | ||||
| Jasonsc |
Nicely put Broker, same as I was thinking but wasn't 100% | ||||
| dzikijohnny |
He was very loose and frankly was I shouldn't be surprised he didn't call. ON my HUD his fold on stats by street were 65/45/73. From that I should have figured he was loose but not on river. My turn bet was pot sized partly because I then picked up the draw to go with my tptk. My plan was to call a check raise if he put me allin and to shove if he did less than my stack. (Anyone think this line is wrong?) I do find a big leak of my is not getting value for my big hands when I am oop. In position much easier to get value. | ||||
| Polycarpus |
Re: Overbetting with nut flush on river
Why do you show? 1st reason not to show: Don't give him insight in your strategy. 2nd reason not to show: He will be more tilted if he goes doubting his decision. Now you show him he made the right fold. |
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| Brokerstar |
My point was that if he's very loose why not make it 5 x the blind rather than 3? especially out of position. Then when he calls there is 300 in the middle on the flop, not 180. That will make a big difference to building the pot by the river. Then on flop bet closer to full pot rather than the 'standard' 2/3! So say about 270 into 300 then on the turn there is a pot closer to 900 rather than the 400ish that is in this example. Keeping bets a 'standard amount' is a HUGE leak vs a very loose player. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Re: Overbetting with nut flush on river
I didn't show my cards to him. It show up like that in the converter for some reason. When I play I never turn on the option for show cards....unless I got like a straight flush 
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| dzikijohnny |
I understand what your saying Dom. Looks like I haven't completely adjusted to the new SPRs for deepstack play. |