One hand from Collin Moshman's book

piwcuk · One hand from Collin Moshman's book

Hi Guys, I'm just reading Collin Moshman's book and I found a hand (page 44) which I don't understand why this line is the best.
I would like to quote him:
"So while Villain could hold a set or an overpair, we are most worried about five hands KT, AT, T8, T5, or 85. But now let us consider all the hands consistent with his actions that have us ahead at the moment. These include: JT, J8+ (or possibly a lower eight, and less likely a five with an overcard kicker), T9 - T6, T4 - T2, or a solid draw such as 7h4h. Each of these hands could quite reasonably be limped on the button, and then aggressively raised on the flop.
Since the pot is already 390$, we have a lot of fold equity if we reraise, and based on his hand range, we also like our showdown equity. Since calling leaves us out of position in a large pot, we simply reraise all-in."

And this hand is here: (I changed a hand from my game so it's something incorrect with stacks, but it doesn't change anything. By the way, how can I just create imaginary hand in the easiest way?)

http://www.flopturnriver.com/Poker-Hand-QdTc-Tournament-BB-1370887.php

We don't know a lot about opponents, we know for sure he isn't a maniac, he checked behind river when he hit two-pairs on the river.
So, I just don't understand why 3-bet shove this flop is better than call. I know that we are out of position so it's difficult to play this hand, especially if we see King or sth on turn. But I thought if we 3-bet this hand, we can't expect to get a call from worse hand (yeah, maybe from JT but it's not enough). If we just call we still keep in his range weaker tens, bluffs, eights. If we raise - we isolate to stronger range - range which beats our hand. And he said we have a lot of fold equity - yes, it's true but I don't need fold equity now - I want to have a lot of fold equity on this flop when I 3-bet shove with 7h4h but not now. Now i want to get more money from hands like T4 and the only option to do this is just a call.
So, where is the mistake in my thinking? Which part of my analysis is incorrect?

MrJayOMG

It looks like he is saying there aren't a ton of hands that crush us, so we're likely ahead right now. But if we flat, the pot is getting huge & there are heaps of cards that hit the turn that are bad for us & make it hard to carry on (any heart, 9x, Jx, 7x). If we jam, we have fold equity & are likely to get called by a worse hand which is likely at best drawing.

I think!

piwcuk

sure, you are right.
But if we know that our opponent won't call us with worse hand, is it still jam? Thinking that shoving is just easy way to take this pot (no troubles with next street) is correct? I always just did a call in spot like this and of course I had a lot of problems with turn or river card but I was sure my line is correct so now I'm confused Smile

sausage

Interesting spot.

I doubt that 3b shoving is the best line here. We only have fold equity v hands that we want to call. Villain folds a better hand approx. 0% of the time. His calling range is hands that crush us & draws that have decent equity.

If an overcard falls on the turn our opponent will check a lot of the time so if he bets we can fold.