NEW START for AussieKiss11 at Will HILL

blsmur · NEW START for AussieKiss11 at Will HILL

Hi Guys
i have been a member for quite while and when i first started on Tagpoker I was looking to improve my Heads Up Game for playing 9 man sitngos

I have been playing poker for 5 years NOW AND NEVER HAD MORE THAN $1000 in My BankRoll with $20 buyins only
i did some training on DeepStacks university and i lost my $1000 that i had built up

I then went to Drag the Bar where I tried everything they teach and eventually ended up here

The result of all this training and study was a belief that I knew everything there was to know about poker

BUT

I still couldn't win and what is worse I put in bigger deposits upto $100 a time because i was being told that this is the way
and then when "BlackFriday" happenned most of my then mates that played were gone
so i just played less and less

Recently Broker advertised his new deal on Will Hill poker So I signed up

and nothing changed in the way I was playing

Then I got a call from Jakester to play me
when i started I against him i thought he was pretty easy to beat and then he wanted to go turbo
and he had me by the short an curlies

so I was thinking he just getting lucky at the time but now i think I was playing badly

so i start at will hill with $35
and i had $20 in pokerstars account

i have some other accounts but dont use them much at all

now Last night i was listening to some Jarrod Tendlar Audio tapes
and the interesting thing he points out "we cant reasonably expect to win every game we play "

"if we are to become rich from poker we must use sensible money management "

I think I have been to a point
but he said if we $5000 tourny for instance we should not enter $5000 buyin tourny and expect ti win it too"

there 4 of these tapes i got for free from a subscription to some pokersite

But I had an epiphany from those tapes

and i have played 9man sitngos and win
and the only husngo i lose I had AK against his AQ very early in the game we both all in preflop
and he flops Q
so game over
other than that I havnt lost
so i will come back and tell how I am going in a week if you interested
thanks for Looking

Ron
ps ; on pokerstars I am blsmur i play at both sites

doodiewiz

Best of luck mate! Also on William Hill, but haven't played there much. Thinking I might play the hypers at the micros with a $100 BR. Maybe we could play a few but the with the timezones it might be difficult. GL GL!

blsmur

doodiewiz

cool! I'll add you and give u a shout if I see u online or vice versa. Maybe play best of 3 or first to 3? We can play $1s if u like. Then swap HHs..

blsmur

Just a report in
my Bankroll Build sux

i should rename it to Bankroll loose

well I have made some progress this evening and last evening as well

but just through a game to river shove with top pair

dumb i know

someone should come and tell how dumb so I dont do it again
Thanks

my read on this guy dead tight

he won nearly everyhand we played

i won all the others
ie he folded

when i called him down just to see if i was good
i was out carded by 1 eg if i had a 9 he had a ten etc

but my call on his river allin was a bit tilty i think

still i am up for today
but way below my starting stack of $35

blsmur

oh god I did it again

this guy was pretty aggressive

any way i have KQ off pre in the SB with59 bb

he has 92 bb in the bb

I raise min raise to 40
he calls

flop 6h Kd 8h

he cks

i bet half pot 40

he flats turn 5s

i bet 120 into a 160 pot

he shoves

so my call was bad

but he was betting everything every pot
and I got caught up in it i guess

he showed 65 off

for 2 pair

i am so pissed with myself for even letting it get to me

this has to one of my biggest failings
i just have to be in tip top brain function not to get done this way

any one got a suggestion

YATHINNK

It's as simple as not doing it. It might be hard for you not to make the call or let hands go when you know you're beat but just by adjusting your game so that you take more care and not tilt call etc. Make a mental note of some of the things they do and then try and use it against them, it's that easy a lot of the time.

Obviously it isn't ACTUALLY that easy as there's a lot of variables and the inevitable downswings, suckouts and tilt that can get to a player. So making sure that you know what you're doing, why you're calling and what you intend to do on further streets is a huge advantage. You said in your post you're angry at yourself for doing it so you must have known or had some inkling that you were behind, so take that, learn from it and understand that you are oftentimes going to be right if something doesn't seem right about the play that they are making.

blsmur

I know from game theory that weak hands can grow in strength by turn or river

there are now 3 games i lose

the game where i have 2 pair on flop I think was bad luck for me because he had Kj and hit the J on river and i had K9 and flop 2 pair

so I was playing correctly there and he made a mistake ( i m o )

how ever the
last 2 games
i am expecting villian to have high cards

and not be calling with 2 4 in one game and 56 in another

i will be more wary from now on I was very tired last night and i am sure this doesnt help

thanks for your input

doodiewiz

Hey! You know we just played right on will hill? I'm sunshineBillWrigly. I said hello in chat and said i was from tagpoker, but i don't know if you had chat on or not.

Anyway if you want to talk about your/my game send me a PM or chat here. I had you classified as loose agressive. You kept opening randomly to 5x and spite raising me when I limped it seemed like to me, but you did some good stuff too like stabbing lots of flops. I wasn't sure if you were a bit tilted though. Anyway GG mate!

blsmur

blsmur

ok i was loose and aggressive

i am posting a vid of the game from my perspective

i go on to say i think your play is weak

I am sorry for saying this as in hind sight you trapped me with the AA
so well done

yes i am aggressive and probably a bit loose

I had no idea you had AA
so i was ignoring the signs which when you 3bet me i should have taken some notice
you will see i am willing to bet most hands

just need to learn when to give up

Broker talks about this type of player in his course (lol its me )

so well done to you
Thanks for letting me know it was you

regards Ron
http://www.viddler.com/explore/blsmur/videos/2/

AxeMage

hey blsmur, saw the vid

i think playing a little looser is fine and c-betting a little more is okay vs him because he seemed on the tigher side, but i think you need to pay a little more attention and react to how HE plays... he seemed pretty Taggish and played hands when he had them or called with draws... i didn't think you needed to make as many of the looser calls u did, or tried to scare him off hands when he's already shown aggression (like when you had 3h5h and he bet the turn when he hit the J)... it would have been better to try and show it down when you had second last pair... not worth overplaying your cards in that spot when the pot's already that big...

you should try to stick to your initial reads and keep playing the right game for the appropriate player type until he gives you reason not to, by changing his style (a drastic frequency change... not just a 1 ranodom shove that's confusing)...

anyhow, i'll see you around and we'll play some games again, tty soon!

doodiewiz

That's alright mate. No worries and its good to be honest. Nice one for making a vid and look forward to checking the video out later and I'll post my thoughts. Bear in mind I was adapting to your play and just decided to play ABC poker against you. No need to play back. You called all my cbets, so I just started betting for value!

blsmur

doodiewiz

Don't worry about it mate. They're not the easiest concepts to get a decent grasp of. It took me 400 games before I started beating the $2 level. I'd just think of this $2 level as your HU training. Once you can bet this level you'll realise you play a lot of the same players at the next couple of levels. Small ball isn't about calling down with bottom pair it's about playing lots postflop, grinding your oppoent down, playing small pots and picking up on reads IMO and maybe calling down 2nd/3rd pair if your reads justify it. Also its Good for when your learning i find because you get lots of postflop Practice in. Anyway will post more soon as I get a chance. I'll send you my HH also..BTW axemage gave good advice I thought. You did get some reads u said I was weak, a bit passive maybe, so you were stabbing lots of pots. That was good!

kierkegaard1

i'll play you blsmur and you can make a vid?

Brokerstar

Ok I'm going to address a few things here because you keep saying or insinuating that my course is the reason that you are not winning at poker which I'll be honest is frustrating for me as well as it must be you.

The course is not a magic pill that you watch, don't really pay attention to and then print money like a rock star. Sadly it doesn't work that way.

You do actually have to pay attention to the video's, lesson and pay attention when you are actually in a match.

A lot of what you're saying just say's to me that you are not paying attention when you're in a match rather than have an incorrect strategy.

I just don't think it's possible for me to put the study material in my videos any more straight forwardly than I do.

Think about what you're saying in your last post.

blsmur

blsmur

blsmur

axmage i think you make some good points

perhaps when we next hook up we can review that game together
see what i could have done different

blsmur

Hey Broker

if i ever get a graph like the ones on your site

you will have reason to be very proud

AxeMage

sure, no problem blsmur, just msg me on here or on skype when you see me and we'll look over some more games... just let me know when ur work load eases up and you're free

blsmur

this is just a reply to your what your teaching and is my perception of where I am at
now i have been with you for 7 mths ani have failed to grasp all of this and i have failed to implement it

I'm teaching how to spot player types.

i am spotting them sometimes

how to adjust to them.
if i recognise them i adjust sometimes

when to bet. think
i got the betting ok
when to bluff.
think i bluffing ok

when to adjust.
not adjusting properly if at all

what it looks like when they adjust.
no idea

what raise and bet sizes to make with different hand strengths.
some idea

how to adjust pre flop for differing opponents and stack sizes
. getting better at it

playing later streets.
good when i got the best hand but i probably push players out i have tried different size bets on river depending on what i am trying to do eg
monkey spazz bet inducing
or shove to look like a bluff etc

playing in position. i think i do ok here

out of position. definately not my strong point

deep stacked. not my best game

short stacked.
better at short stack play

end game.
i know /nash etc and now chubakov

playing draws for different players.
weak at this

bluffing. bluffing
pretty good I think

semi bluffing.
i over do semi bluffs and often stack off on draws

optimal bluff sizing for maximum profitability.

some of my bluffs are just perfect

With what and why I limp vs calling stations and how to build huge pots .

i have problem adjusting properly to call stns and still try to bluff them

With what and why I limp vs LAG's and how to build huge pots .

getting better verus lags

With what and why I limp vs nits and how I switch it up later.

well not great i over bluff these guys and they catch me out

Vs TAG/ thinking players I don't limp anywhere near as much and cover
why

versus tags i play pretty carefully and sometime i fold enough or correctly .
plus so much more but that's the crucks of the lessons

i hope responses help you help me

Ron

So from the course what do I say, in the videos when a tight player or a passive player comes to life and starts really showing aggression? either pre flop with re raises, post flop with check raises or re raises etc?

I say this is a strong hand so often that you can make some biggish folds.

sometimes i do make these folds

Or if you thought a guy was playing tight and/ or weak why would you go crazy with second bottom pair? Where in the course does it say go crazy with second bottom pair vs a tight/ weak player?

obviously get this wrong a fair bit

All I can do is give you the strategy advice, I can't sit on your shoulder and make you actually do it if you decide that you have 'better ideas'.

I dont mean to have better ideas but failing to recognize the situation i might be reverting to a previous way of playing or i miss read the situation completely

U Cook Socks

This thread is beyond ridiculous.

sandman369

blsmur

U Cook Socks

Okay, entertaining might have been a better word than ridiculous.

Fwiw, the offer of help has always been there if you look back through your threads. It wont be of any help until you start listening, and applying some of it to your game. Simple as that.

I have no grudge with you, despite what you think, but I have read some of the things you have been advised, and I have watched your videos, and you clearly aren't taking in what you are being told.

There is no point me saying you are doing okay, when you are clearly not. Personally I think you should go through Brokers videos again, watch some of the videos off the site, and try and see how he tries to use his theory's and take in his thought processes. Then try and build your game from scratch , bit by bit.

Then you have the offer of help from Kierk, and BrokerStar, use those wisely too, and you may see some progress.

kierkegaard1

doodiewiz

I always enjoy blsumrs threads! This has been beneficial to me too. Didn't realise how passive I was being. Good/bad against him? Funny my memory of the game was a lot different as I never review games...I think u were doing ok till you just spewed/called your stack off. Also not a fan of the 4x/5x raises preflop unless it's against a call station I guess with good hands. By the way you were ahead when you called the 3bet with 82os lol. Don't play irrationally! GL!

blsmur

U Cook Socks

kolonel

Hey blsmur, how do you compile your notes from the Broker course ?

Where do you keep them when playing ?

Do you have cliff notes (condensed notes) ?

What sort of opening ranges vs diff opponent types do you consider ?

LAG
TAG
LP
TP

How do you play AK against a Calling Station when you miss ?

These are just examples of questions that you want to have the answer before considering starting up a table.

All this is covered in Brokers course and is there for you to go over.

Good luck with it all.

Brokerstar

kolonel

blsmur

I send Broker a long message in skype last night after getting my will hill account down to $2

the last few games i lost i was like flop 2 pair and be allin only to lose on the river "as usual"

so I was quite disheartened to say the least

and for the first time in my life .I had actually started to think i should consider giving up poker .

So I left computer and joined my family watching part 3 of Lord of the rings

and then went to bed

I wake up this morning about 6 am ( this happens when you get to 60 I know it sux but that is life)

so I make myself a Milo and go back to bed but cant sleep
I am thinking about when i was making a profit before I decided to do any poker school

How did I play then what was I trying to achieve by going to a poker school

what is there from then that I could apply to now

when i used to make a final table in tournament if i got to top 3 I was or 3rd no seconds
and then after the schooling on Deep Stack university I made some seconds

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but mostly i just lost all my money it seems that everything I learned did me no good

i stopped poker for a while and began to play on facebook farmville and stuff
but it got boring

then i came across and ad for a poker book "treat your poker like a business" this was july last year
So I read this book and decide to start back at poker in earnest

and I join Drag the bar website because that book had links to it .

after about 4 months on Drag the bar I was learning heaps of stuff and putting more money into my pokerstars account than "I ever had

but still losing overall

and getting frustrated by sukouts and being outplayed and generally just getting it wrong

time to move on, i find an ad for Tag poker in 2+2

and decide that heads up play could help my 9 man sngo play as i was playing a lot of them at the time and before Drag the bar i had a 24% ROI

it has been going down ever since

so here i am 7 months after joining Tag poker and I am still the worst poker player ever

SO now today I am thinking i need to play the way i did before I started any schooling
I was making a profit back then
and my sng ROI was 24%
now it down to 8% after getting educated

so what did i do in those days
well i read books by good authors that had made millions playing poker

and i was tight ! very tight

i could fold anything but AA unless i was 1 man from the bubble in a super satellite
in a normal tourny i would not fold AA or KK on bubble but QQ was folded

SO i think i was avoiding so much BS by folding, that most of the time i was winning stuff by good cards alone

but it was leaving me wanting to play better

some of my rules of play from back then were

if the board pairs be real careful by all means stab at it but dont get too involved

the rule was if the flop came down wit 2 cards to a flush be prepared to fold to aggression when the 3 rd cad came down or often i would just fold the on the flop just not get into the situation at all
now this is very tight play but it was stopping me from busting out of tournaments
so with all the" knowledge " i get over the last year and half I managed to never fold if 3 card to flush on the board
and i ignore paired boards because we all know that card removal means it less likely they have the 3 rd card

well i am adopting my old rules once more
and then i am applying a little stab on the flop when there is a paired board or a flush draw etc but that is it

if i get any action i might fold or just call depending on my read of opponent

now playing like this for just 2 games this morning led me to win both of them
and got me out of hands when i needed to be out

so i will try and continue with this thinking

the other thing i noticed while playing the game was I didnt need to get lucky to win on any of my all ins I just needed not to get unlucky

lets hope i have found what is is i have been missing for all these months

Well thats enough of my rambling on
I hope my discovery can help someone else

regards Ron
i have about 60 game to go to finish my obligation to Broker for his last course offer on will hill

so
I will post my results what ever they may be

blsmur

hey 5 in a row

good careful playing no unnecessary risks

there is hope for me yet

Smile

blsmur

blsmur

hi well i have won the 9 out of my last 13 games on will hill

BR just $6.60

I think the questions and answers from Broker have helped

so just letting you know i not dead yet

i also played a 9 man sngo last night on PS

and the whole reason for coming here was to be able to play the HU part better

see what you think here
http://www.viddler.com/explore/blsmur/videos/4/

doodiewiz

your video is still not showing for me...

kolonel

works for me, just tested it and downloading now.

blsmur, what settings are you using for the video production as you can reduce the size of the video file, without losing too much quality.

if your internet is anything like mine, uploading over 100mb takes forever.

blsmur

blsmur

just a note

when i first upload it and make the link i discovered i uploaded the wrong file so i edited the post and upload the right file then it take a while to ready on viddler

blsmur

hi I am doing ok today again and have made it up to $10 in the account and move back to $2 buyins

i win 7 out of last 10 games

i have also been playing on pokerstars at the same time and winning in there too

I am much more sure of the way I am playing then ever before and when i fold i dont feel like i am giving up the best hand

as some of these guys will not fold any pair

AxeMage

Good job! Keep it up!!

doodiewiz

Well it wasn't pretty was it? Lol! You said when u were winning before you were 'tight, very tight' but you were well loosey goosey in this video IMO and quite spewy!

The call station on your left I would have just raised reasonable hands and bet straight up for value postflop as he likes calling so much. Thing is you say he's loose/aggro and likes to call an then you don't seem to implement the appropriate strategy. Anyway I'm glad your winning dude and GL!

blsmur

blsmur

well this is my last post in this thread

I have played 350 games and lost $37 out of a $35 buyin

i dont like the site much at all

and i havnt done well
but most of my play in here has been while i was building
Electronics , this is not a good idea

It has taken away from my ability because of a lack of concentration on the game

i will continue with my other thread from now on , not sure why i ended up with 2 threads anyway

I have completed my obligation on will hill for the updated course from Brokerstar

maybe Broker will see it in his heart to give me the last game review

dunno

any way if you want to see what I am up to from now on
check my other thread

http://tagpoker.myfastforum.org/about2952.html