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| savrababa |
More than a bankroll threadFirst off I want to say that I am not quite sure if this should be posted here so if not just tell me so I can move it or feel free to move it as you see fit.It's been 2 months since I discovered TAG poker and the world of HUSNG's and I feel that I am starting to click. I am also completing one year of playing poker so it is my anniversary. I'm starting to feel pretty confident about my game and I have a 60+% winrate over my last 50 games or so.. During those 2 last months I kept having the feeling that I am on a critical turning point regarding my poker career and so I believe that it is the right time for me to make a special post. I wanted to make a small bio about my journey as a poker player, mostly to encourage more people to do the same. I think that because planing ahead is so hard in poker and since everyone has dreams of going higher, reading other people stories about their experience with poker can help making long term plans more realistic. So.. The idea of poker as a way of making an income was in my mind for a few years and I always thought of it as a good idea, since I considered my self a pretty smart guy and I thought that this would be enough for me to be a winner. Still I was never to familiar with any form of gambling which i always considered as a waste of time so I was pretty hesitant of putting money on a poker site right away and start playing. I figured I would have to study the game first and so I read my first poker books. The little green book by Phil Gordon and Harrington On Hold'em Volume 1 and 2. Along with that I started to watch a few WPT events. After roughly 3 or 4 months of doing that I learned that a guy that I have met before through common friends was making a living through poker making $5000 a month. I got his phone number and got him to meet me for a cup of coffee and chat about poker. We did not talk about things like strategy (it would have no point since we were in completely different levels) but I asked him to help me get started with the game. He did not really give me any great advice, but just the fact that someone that I knew and could relate to was doing what these guys on TV and the internet were doing made the idea of being able to succeed in it more realistic. I started playing poker for real money on 19/4 2010. I would play from 9 people to 180 people sng's. Most of the time I favored the big ones. Up till this February I kept playing and also kept studying through books and resources I could find on the internet. I played around 600 games, spent around $1000 and lost around $150. By that time I was actually a slight winner but was still grinding back what I lost during the first period of my poker career. By then I was playing mostly big MTT's of 1000+ people. My buy-ins were from $5 to $10. On January though I got a full time job at the local casino, which severely reduced my ability to play big MTT's. So I started playing a few HU matches whenever I had limited time but wanted to play some poker. At around 10 of February 2011 I found TAG poker. I have watched almost every video on the site, took the condensed course and completed 300 games in 2 months. I am wining $5 overall 
I also started after the first month in witch I struggled a lot, especially having serious issues with tilt, to review my games and expand my HU study material. I feel that right now I am doing all the right things, I am confident about my game, I have waaaaay more patience than I did before and I feel like if nothing can ever tilt me. I know that I just stood up from the ground and that now there is a mountain to climb but I am through this hard period and very glad about the fact that my hard work is starting to show some results. Many many many thanks to TAG poker and you people in the forums. I have gained more than I could ever imagine from a poker site. Cheers to all! 
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| z1s6arn |
Regular updates.
Realistic targets. Patience. Work on it regular...dont over work and dont underwork. Play because you want to and you want to improve Rely on yourself to be an independent learner and thinker and work with others for different persepectives a little help here and there but you do the hard work. Let the end result drive you but not control you. Put the hours in and 12 months later you could be winning the $50s-$100s! Now some people dont have the energy and motivation to complete an idea or goal! Some people do! You want this bad enough and you are willing to develop your mind (endurance and intellect).....life will blesss you with the rest! Weekly updates are all that it takes to stay on track. When your doing well be humble and tell us what you learned, dont just post results, write out exactly what you learned and how you are changing. I would love to here your aha moments and exactly what happened to make such an improvement. When you are playing bad or hitting bad variance...stay calm and focussed and show it in your bankroll thread by writing..again what you learned and what your going to do about it and then how these new goals/theory have changed your game. Be self aware and mindful of the mistress of over enthusiasm....its an emotion that's short lived.....When you can see her and feel her working... remember how seductive and short lived she can be....always rely on the wolf...who will travel for weeks/months in the relentless pursuit of survival... Bit of a long piece of dictatorial advice and yes I have only just started beating the $20s  and I'm also watching a film on 6 survivors travelling 4000km by foot from Serbia over the himalayas to India. Its all relative my man! All relative!
Gl bro! Oh..try and stick to one format at a time! He who tries to catch two hares at once never catches one! |
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| savrababa |
Not at all. I appreciate it a lot and even if someone is a looser at the $1 his thoughts could bear merit. It IS all relative. Forgot to mention that I just got back from my first holidays which played a big role in me clearing my thoughts and be more mindful of everything poker related. Great advices. I will keep this thread updated.. |
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| z1s6arn |
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| ChrisB |
Looks like more appropriate in the welcome section, but nonetheless...welcome aboard and may the all-in gods favour you!
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| savrababa |
Been playing HU for 3 months now.
Completed 400 games (100 at the $2 level and 300 at the $5), which I consider decent bearing in mind that I work a full time job. Overall winning : $25 Overall ROI : 2% Last 100 games Overall winning : $34.5 Overall ROI : 6.6% I am realizing more and more the importance of patience at these stakes. TV poker can really damage you when you are a beginning player cause you see the bluffs and moves great players pull but do not realize how often they do it and against whom.. I used to have that uneasy feeling that I can't just wait for cards in HU and I need to do something. Lately I am way more comfortable sitting back against most player types and waiting for the cards to get paid off. I still feel though that my best game is when playing TAG's because I feel very good about reading the flow of the match and bluff reraising or 3 betting pre flop against a guy that can lay a hand down. I guess that this will help me if I get into higher stakes. Overall : One happy camper
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| savrababa |
*Update*
520 games in tottal Overall winnings : $30 Overall ROI : 0% Must have counted something wrong on my last post since I won 63 out of the last 120 games and my overall ROI is lower.. Anyway I thought I was getting a hang of the $5 matches but apparently I am breaking even again. I think though that I am playing better and variance is responsible for some of that. I'll try some sweat sessions, see how these go. I also think it is time to make a proper plan so I'll come up with that soon. |
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| z1s6arn |
http://tagpoker.myfastforum.org/M...TIME_LEADERBOARD_2_about2994.html | ||||||
| savrababa |
OK so here is my plan.
I'm going to be working a lot during the summer (work in a stupid casino and summer time is high season) since I am now an Active Supervisor. This means that I take the same crappy salary but work a lot more.The good news is that if I pull this through I will get a 50% raise. Adding the fact that I live in an island of Greece and I know I am not going to say no to going to the beach, the unavoidable result is severely reduced time to dedicate to poker. So I think the plan has to be as realistic as possible because if I force too much on myself I'll end up doing nothing. I will give myself 5 out of 30 days doing nothing so 25 poker days. I think 100 games is decent. If I can do more even better but I'll set my bar to 100. I want to keep watching videos so 1 video per day is the plan. Also I have to stop being a lazy fuck and start reviewing my game consistently. I'll set the bar to the min 1 game review per day. Finally I will try and get my first few sweat sessions. If I can do 3 I think it will be fine. So that summarizes to: - 100 games - 25 videos watched - 25 games reviewed - 3 sweat sessions If i do this for 3 months then i should already be playing the $10 before September hits and have a solid game to be able to move on. |
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| savrababa |
Oh...
I also need to remember to find a time that suites both me and Broker so that we can do that 4th lesson. I think that is the hardest task.. |
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| savrababa |
*Update*
I've played 51 matches so far, which is way more than I thought I would have by now. Have only been working, playing poker and sleeping for the last 5 days though, so I don't know how long I can keep this rate up. won 23 which is a lot less than i would hope for. I really feel like I am getting ridiculously unlucky lately. Yesterday I got my money in on the flop with a made straight twice and lost to runner runner full house and four of a kind. I think I am doing a pretty good job handling myself regarding tilt. I keep pretty calm and keep going. I am starting to get a bit disheartened by this though. I had great results in May and was starting to think "Hey I'm finally getting a hung of this" and now I'm down 5 BI's this month. Also been reviewing some of my games. I see that again and again I play really well against decent opponents (I think I won against everyone with a positive ROI this month) and keep loosing to the fishes. I can't really understand why though, I get the impression that (mostly against those aggro monkeys) the game goes towards greater possible variance and I just get so unlucky. I really don't like blaming it on luck but I can't really find anything else that would justify my results. 
The thing that disheartens me the most is that I can never be sure whether it really is bad luck or selective memory.. I feel like I play well but I keep losing and I see people with ROI's of 4-8% over 1000+ games samples that I crush when we play. I had 2 guys asking me why I play these stakes since I am too good for them.. 
Basically I keep seeing people crushing the $5's and I feel like I play better than they are and I am not even winning right now. I 'll do my best to just try and ignore it and keep grinding... |
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| ChrisB |
you played 51 matches in 5 days? That's a very, very low volume mate...even with work etc.
I suggest you just grind it out, its more than possible to have hundreds if not thousands of games losing in a stretch even for the best players. |
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| U Cook Socks |
Not really mate, it's probably over 20 hours worth, if he is playing reg speeds. With waiting times added. That's quite a lot to fit in, when you have a job, and other things in your life too. I know what you are trying to say though, 50 odd games, gives you little idea where you are at, results wise. For players who play low volume, variance can last a very long time. I had a 600 game b/stretch, which for someone playing 50 games a week, is like 3 months +. |
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| savrababa |
9 hours at work
+ 7 hours sleep + 1 hour eating, taking a dump e.t.c. + 3 hours playing (10 games a day with short brakes) + 4 hours left for studying poker and doing any other chores I might have for the day.. If you have any suggestions on how I might stretch this out I am more than happy to hear them. I do understand though what you are saying and to be honest that is exactly what i need to hear to keep going. I feel like if I had somebody watch 10 games of me playing and say "keep it up my man you 'll get there if you play like that" it would be enough to get me going. But you can't really do that on your own cause even if you do review your games and think you did pretty well and variance is responsible, you can't really know if this is ever true. Just to give you a picture of how things are going, since the last post I was trying to decide whether I should keep grinding today or quit for the day since I felt a bit depressed. Then I said to myself "you need to get through this you are going to keep playing and stay calm and collected". So I did and I played 3 more games. Went all in on the first against an aggro monkey on a 5-4-J board with AJ and got called by 77. He of course rivered a 7. Won the second one. Went all in pre with AQ against AJ and lost to a straight on the third. So down another $5 but surprisingly enough started feeling better. Maybe I felt like it was a victory that I managed to push through my feeling and keep playing well in all 3 games. Ok now off to work.. 
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| z1s6arn |
What your trying to accomplish is something slightly out of the ordinary.
Chris likes high volume (lots of multi tabling presumably at the turbos). 800-1000 games/month sometimes 1000+????(correct me if Im wrong Chris) Blazing likes single table volume of say 220-300games/month he has a tight BR strategy of up to 60 buy ins and is very careful with his roll and only moves up after being very patient. Hes transitoining from regs to turbos which will increase volume. Borg likes to 2 table like kierk sometimes they do 3 and can handle 500-700 but have had a lot of practice 2 tabling and are very very comfortable with it and play the $200s-300s with a $500 here and there after 18 months study (kierk was full time whilst borg is in full time education so he has presssure not as much as work pressure, borg transitioned from deep stack to reg then to turbos). Broker likes to Single table HU and he feels comfortable at the $100s and maybe the odd $200 after already aquiring several hundred thousand dollars in 6max (motivation to find money for bastard gas bills etc with mahoosive BR is reduced hence single tabling and a laid back volume of probably 6-12 games/day makes sense.. (hes also ginger...he seems to think its a handicap)). I like single tabling around 220-300 games/month very similar to Blazing. I envision playing 80-100 $1000 single table HU SNGs because I like focussing really intensively on a few games per day and can hold about 5-6 days a week for 4 weeks then I need some time off. With BR I was very very careful with BR management playing 1000 HU SNGS at the $1 & $2 level before I thought I was ready to move up. With time it took slightly less time to move up each buy in level and now Im moving up. Maybe every 2 months then 5-6 weeks then one month. (after 8 months full time playing)Now its every 3-5 weeks per buy in which in comparison to how I started is very aggressive. Why? Because I trust my self and Im using my past experience to predict future performance. The more experience you have the better you'll be able to intutively adjust your lifestyle and approach to poker. I might have to adjust when I move up again...who knows?? So there are different styles and approaches that tailor to each individual and very different personalities... just like strategy...you tailor Brokers fundamentals and tie it in with your own personality over time. What you have to figure out is what do you want out of poker. How would you like to approach it with regards to amount of volume how aggressive or careful you want to be with BR management and how much time you can handle at the computer whilst living a full time life with other responsibilities? Once you have decided this and planned it then you must be always willing to adjust your plan if there is a better way of doing things. Trial and error. It sounds simple but ppl like a sort of 'how to' formula which is rigid and there really isnt such a thing as one size fits all. Its a bit like trying to find Cinderellas slipper in a room full of different slippers. Remember every bodies ideas are indeed correct. That's the irony. Advice from a successful poker player is right from his point of view even though it may completely contradict another poker players stance. But if it works for you then great but if not then there is no harm in trying a different approach. The challenge is how can one do this without knowing what approach is the most efficient for his/her particular personality type and life experiences? Do the best with what you know, be critical with your strengths and weakness's. Try things out (experiment) and if things start working one way stick with it unless you need to adjust and keep learning(modelling) from the most successful players by taking in those key snippets of advice and details like a recipe that you put into a broth. When all of the ingredients are put together in the right combination for the right amount of time then you have your soup! Sooooooooo..... Rule number one esp for you. Stick to one style of game. If your going to play 6 max, MTT or HU then stick to only one format. When you struggle and want to try a new format immediately become aware of this thought process and get rid of it. Focus on cleaning one room at a time in a house and not trying to clean some of the kitchen then going up to the bedroom and hoovering and then going over to the bathroom you'll loose momentum. You'll know what I mean in 6 months. Patience. I think I mentioned this when you first started your thread. I managed to secure 10 months food and board. Full internet, friendly environment and close to friends with no other pressure except poker. I had access to a university postgrad library (open 24hrs and I studied between 6pm to 5am for 6 months) to study in and a quiet gym all 3 minutes away from a quiet house. After all this it still took 10months to finally have a month where I could pay all my food and rent with one hundred pounds to spare starting from zero poker experience. Others have managed this in around 6 months. What you are well aware is this is something you cant plan for but......... knowing you have a full time job you'll know that it may take slightly longer to achieve your goal. The positive is you have financial security, indefinitely. My motivation was I walked away from 4 years of university to use student loan as an investment. So for me there was a lot riding being a success because I had and had nothing substantial to fall back on. In return for such a risk and an unknown I hoped for a better life as well all do. You gotta have something that drives you and you gotta have a final goal....lifestyle...ability...monthly earnings that you realistically want to achieve and know this life is a job and is not glamorous until the foundation is in place. This is obviously where your at. The note I want to leave you on is this. The game is definitely beatable and profitable. You can earn $3000/month with enough time and dedication and it goes up from there if your are driven enough. Keep going in the direction your going in. I dont think you need to push any harder and I dont think you need to take your foot off the pedal. We'll know when you need a kick up the arse or a stern warning to slow down. Set monthly goals and keep them small and simple. BE careful of setting a billion goals. Show us a thorough update every monday...just use the top team instructions there is a 'how to post' thread...be careful of enthusiastically posting everyday which I notice you dont do...it has a habit of fading into the player becoming very regular to almost never..... Keep the dream at the forefront of your mind and be proud of yourself and excited about taking in such a challenge because when we see you making some serious Borgalishish moooneeeey (I couldnt think of a rhyme for kierk....my bad) your gonna be on top of the world mate.....keep chipping at it every day and learn when to back off ok....you will always feel guitly for not working hard enough and you'll never be able to justify taking some time out coz you think u should be working on poker..... but learning to rest is of EQUAL importance if not more than active development. Its a fuking fine line and one not worth crossing too far over for extended periods of time..... When your demotivated and down...talk to us about it.....accept it and never over whinge or whine about it(I know you wont). Have a quick mini cry (yup YATHINNK I did just say that  ) and rant and then stand up deep breath and try again and again and or take the necessary time out to STOP playing poker completely. I've had to take 2 weeks out here and there. Some times 3 full day or 5 etc and sometimes jsut the rest of the day. You'll also notice that the more you play and work these become habits and can come across as addictive. Like forum browsing every 10 mins or when its your day off your checking the tables. Just watch for it. Its healthy and necessary but needs to be tamed if you know what I mean.
At the moment its not about money. BR is only an indicator that your learning. Your graph will go up and you'll think you've got it nailed and then it will drop again. This is cyclical and eventually you'll be able to keep it up and up and up. Its like a bird learning how to fly or when your a kid and your riding your bike and you can hold it for longer and longer then you fall and one day it just clicks and boom you never fall off unless of course you let your mind get the better of you as your learning to desensitize and adjust to a higher buy in level or your tired or emotional...liker moving from the $5s to the $20s. Its the same old bike except your a hundred feet off the air and the road feels narrower and you keep looking down even though its not that much different. This may or may not be a good thing but I would recommend the $50-$500 challenge and update once a week with the odd comment here and there in addition. Get your BR to $500 and be active in the forums and maybe ask for the top team. When you get to the $500 then you have ahciheve the very first and most necessary test then..... I might write another PHD proposal for you. I know wtf? Even I'm tired reading this. Now Ive got to proof read the thing! Watch Brokers latest video just above my leakfinder. I wasnt expecting it but at the very end he had a fair point. If there is a guy who knows his sh*t its Broker. We are a very very lucky community to have him, so if there is anybody on this planet you want to learn the job from its Broker. Its gonna be a fun ride for you! We'll be watching! GL! z1
p.s oh in answer to the ACTUAL question hahah....I personally feeling comfortable playing 9-13 games/day for a higher ROI. So playing 50 games/week on a full time job is actually fine for single tabling (unless and a big unless your approach is like ChrisBs). When I first started I played about 15-25/day at the micros full time. There was no wait time and I made a lot of mistakes and just kept playing and playing...but it took its toll. Find your 'sweet spot' for quality vs quantity! |
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| ChrisB |
I'd advise you to try and learn multitabling, might aswell learn it now at the lowest stakes instead of waiting until you get higher.
like blazing said, breaking even for 3 months is really plausible and we dont need any comments on how much that sucks! @z1s6arn Seriously? TL;DR 
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| savrababa |
Wow man I really didn't expect that post!!
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this.
hmm this feel right but i need to... just can't stop.. have to.. arghhh!!
Yeah saw the video. He was talking to me in the end just avoided to say my name..
As for multitabling I think that you need to run at least 80-90% of your decisions on auto pilot to be able to do it in HU so I don't think I can do it yet. Might try it later on, but I think I am more of the one table focused game fan. Again many thanks to all of you guys. The help is invaluable. Cheers! |
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| ChrisB |
To be honest if you have a limited time available to play (eg only evenings and etc) I would definitely consider at least TRYING multitabling, I mean I understand you go on autopilot when playing like 3+ tables, but 2 tables of regular speed on a site that has timebank shouldn't be a problem, alternatively drop down a level once in a while and try to 2 table them instead of your normal stake.
I'm not hating on the 1tabling I just feel like you add double the experience and ultimately moneys when you add a table and you have to have like negative multitabling skills for your poker abilities to be halved. Practice makes perfect. |
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| YATHINNK |
Multitabling does stunt the growth of a player. No matter what anyone says. It's alright should you go back through your games and check out how you've played certain hands but it almost definitely doesn't get you thinking about the spots in a way that advances you as a player. | ||||||
| U Cook Socks |
Playing more than one table of HU, gives me brain damage. One day maybe though. | ||||||
| AxeMage |
i've actually tried multitabling a few times but i find that it's harder for me to get a more solid read, or end up getting the wrong reads... | ||||||
| savrababa |
^^^this @ChrisB I'll still give it a few tries at the $1 just for you my man
I have a video from HUSNG.com where PrimordialAA discuses how to start multitabling. Do you have any other suggestions of material that could help me with this? |
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| ChrisB |
Nah. I think it's just practice. I don't think anyone can argue that their multitabling game will have a higher roi than their single-tabling game but as Aggsy would say its all about the hourly!
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| NinjaReads |
If it's generally agreed that one tabling is better for the ROI than two tabling then why not play one $10 game rather than two $5's? | ||||||
| golden |
start multitabling early so you can get enough practice |
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| The Little Fish |
How would you take shots when multitabling? Would you just single table or load two tables which include one at the current level and the one your taking a shot at? |
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| ChrisB |
Because your ROI isn't halved when you add a table, even if you are completely new to multi tabling. My guess would be its a few percent at most, particularly in spots where you miss a bluff opportunity or similar. Your time is very valuable and there's a big difference in hourly playing 1 table and 2 tables, even with a slight drop in ROI. Like I said I'm not hating on the one-tabling, just can't see why you wouldn't want to learn to multi table early. |
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| golden |
If you're just starting out i suggest playing at lower limits, so if you're playing 20's load up 2 $2 games or $5 i mix it up, i either play 2 at my current level, or one at my current level and one higher. |
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| The Little Fish |
Ok thanks. Lets say i'm playing the 5's and i start taking shots at the 10's multitabling 2-4 tables, do you follow the same BR management and move up and down the same as single tabling? | ||||||
| golden |
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| savrababa |
*update*
94 games so far this month. Won 44 It isn't that bad but it is far from what I wanted. Also been seeing many videos. Should have reviewed 12 games by now and I have reviewed 7 so I need to be more disciplined with that. Most important thing, I did my first leakfinder with Broker. I did not review the matches before sending them to him. I was grinding that day and was playing pretty well, I think, till variance made her presence again. I watched the matches that he reviewed and could not believe how bad I was playing. 
I thought I was tilting a little bit at the time but WOW.
I mean I must have been boiling. Soooo soooo many bad decisions that were basically emotional reactions rather than logical trails of thought. I mean, the guy I was playing was what qualifies for a classic example of a super-fish and I was playing pretty much like him. Stupid over fancy play, ridiculous calls and not betting my strong hands... Broker was talking to me about stuff I would be laughing at and I was doing them!! So obviously I needed a good kick in the butt. Hopefully Brokerstar was a professional and was not trying to be a nice guy and gave me a good disciplinary talk
After watching the video I went on to win 4 out of 5 matches and was focused and playing well. P.S.1 I did some 2 tabling at the $1 level. So far I have no clue of what is going on while I'm playing. Will try to keep playing at least 1 set every day and see if it gets any better.. One good thing about it is that there is no room for tilt or fancy play. P.S.2 I just have to nag about this: I just finished playing this guy who I could read like an open book from the first few hands. Lost game 1 against him with a full house over a straight. 
Lost game 2 with four of a kind against a full house. 
YOU %#& @#$% *^&%#!!!! |
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| savrababa |
Oh also 600 total games reached 310 won..
That is pretty good considering how bad I was when I started playing them.. |
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| ChrisB |
That's amazing progress dude. Imagine a recreational fish, he's not going to win half his games, maybe not even a quarter! Many people seriously underestimate what it takes to even break even.
For instance in cash games the rake will amount to something like 5bb/100 hands - so if you're breaking even you are actually winning at 5bb/100
Plus you get a lot of experience, that's worth a ton too. |
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| savrababa |
30 matches played since my leakfinder
19 won Thank you Brokerstar for that nice kick in the but!!
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| NinjaReads |
I understand what you're saying Chris but I think it's the wrong advice here. You're talking about slight drops in ROI, losing a few percent which is fine when you're beating your level for a solid amount but looking at this thread he had a 0% roi after 500 games. His 100 games in June is something like 44 wins out of 100, a minus roi. There are a lot of things that should be more of a higher priority for him than multitabling. When he can beat the $5 games for a 15% roi then he should give it a go but he needs a more solid confident game before that. Savrababa, can you zip up some of your hand histories and uoload them to a filesharing site like Rapidshare? 44 wins out of the last 100, there's something going seriously wrong here. I wouldn't mind looking through them to see what's up. |
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| savrababa |
Sure thing man thanks for the offer.
I can send you a few hand histories if you want through skype. Been doing a lot better since the leakfinder though. Won 4 out of 5 today. I thing tilt is my biggest leak right now. When I drop to my C game I play horrible. Still if you want to check a few matches I'm sure you can spot some leaks.. |
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| ChrisB |
My advice is fine, but it assumes that you are a winning player obviously. If you're a losing player then adding volume will just mean you go broke faster. What I would suggest is to A) Partake in sweats B) Review games after alone or with someone The mulitabling thing is not like YOU MUST do it, it's just a way to gain more experience and see more spots per hour. I'd still recommend playing 1 tabling sessions once in a while if you are a complete beginner at both HUSNGs and multitabling, just to really focus on decisions decisions decisions. And btw its totally feasible to run bad for thousands of sngs, and breaking even is still beating the rake so I think you're making it look worse than it really is. But yes, improving game is obv priority one before you even consider adding tables (I was assuming this when i posted my thoughts) |
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| savrababa |
I understood the mentioning of multitabling as a way of putting in more volume and evening out the variance.
Didn't really take it as a MUST DO. There is no point in me trying to focus on multitabling yet as I need to feel way more solid with my 1 tabling as I mentioned before. Still I think that it is a skill that will come in very handy and that is why I try out playing some 2 table sets at the $1 level every now and then, just to make my brain a little bit more used to it for when it becomes a priority. |
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| savrababa |
*update*
158 games played this month 85 won ROI 4% Very happy with the volume I 've been putting in which is far more than I expected. Not to excited with my winrate but I'll keep putting games in. At least I am beating the game. I have struggled a lot when facing those aggro monkeys this month but it is getting better. Kim Kardasian pointed me to the right direction and indeed it seems to be working out. Sometimes it seems that something somebody says just unlocks a bunch of stuff that are swirling in your head for a while and then you get one of those  moments
I really want to get past this 4-5% ROI struggle and feel more solid with my games but I'm learning every day that I need to be patient and just do my best and keep learning and things will come around. |
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| U Cook Socks |
Pretty good progress if you ask me. From b/e to a 4%/5% winner. Do you realise how many losing players there are out there, that would give anything to be a 4% winner.
This is only the start of your journey too, you will get better (if you keep working hard) Well done, and good luck for the future. |
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| savrababa |
Lost 5 BI's yesterday without really noticing.
Some of it was variance but most of it was bad play. I came back from work where I had just made a stupid mistake and was a bit edgy. Fired up a game without any warmup and started playing. The rest went down from there with me playing seconds and third matches against the same fish and keep losing to them. At least that was a lesson. When I get winning or ok days I tend to get more complacent. I study less and my focus in the games starts to go down slowly. On the other hand when I get loosing days I get more stubborn and have more determination to study properly and be more focused (if I am not tilting that is). So with the new determination I acquired from last night I am coming up with a new plan. I will post it here later today. |
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| ChrisB |
I never rematch people I lose to. It does me no good. I mean I've done it occasionally out of spite against the biggest of fish, but generally the momentum in heads up is huge and you're going to try to make it personal rather than focus on objective decisions.
If you feel like you can handle all of the above though, feel free to do it. Oh and conversely always rematch people you beat for the same reason, unless they are super good (unlikely) |
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| aggsyb |
This is something you need to work on as its a huge leak, staying level headed is important and running bad is no reason to turn down rematches staying focused and making the correct decisions is all that counts even when going 0-5 vs some one. If you feel tilted , thats when you stop. |
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| ChrisB |
I know, but for someone like savrababa who's just starting out and finding his footing in the HUSNGs wouldn't you say its better to do what I said? I over dramatised my own position, and I honestly don't play many husngs anymore but I still feel like it can't be bad to decline the rematch, assuming he plays at the $5 level every player is a fish anyway, so what's huge about declining rematches when you lose? yeah I might be playing devil's advocate a bit here, but still...what do you reckon? |
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| aggsyb |
I think declining rematches is ok if you feel tilted but if you feel you are getting "beaten" i think its really good to rematch as it really gets you thinking about why your getting beaten, if you get to the point your thinking "There is nothing I can do" which is understandable for a player moving up in the levels then declining is very acceptable. Shying away from rematches because someone is hitting or your card dead is a leak as you lose long term EV | ||||||
| savrababa |
Ok it is time for me to finally sit my ass down and learn poker properly.
Lately I noticed this.. When I played some matches having in the back of my mind that I have to pick a few of those to send to Brokerstar to review for my leakfinder I was more focused on making correct decisions. Then I read the post Brokerstar made about how to get the most out of videos. These helped me come up with: The plan I am cutting down on volume and aiming on quality. So I will be playing a very small number of games daily. Something close to 3 games. Every game I play I am going to try and focus as much as I can on the game and try to make the best possible decisions. Once the match is over (win or loose) I will review it. When reviewing the match I am going to have an excel sheet open where I will keep these stats: 1) Hands played 2) Hands with mistakes 3) Monkeyness level If I think that I have made 1 mistake in a hand then this hand is counted as mistaken. If I don't know if I made a mistake somewhere I will post the hand on the forum. The total mistakes of the match divided by the total hands of the match multiplied by 100 will give my monkeyness level for the match
The bigger this is the more of a monkey I am and the smaller it is the less of a monkey I am. This is the stat I am going to care about for the time being. I will not bother with my ROI, my winrate or my bankroll at all. I think this way I can be a lot more focused when playing and avoid tilting a lot since my orientation will be away from results. |
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| ChrisB |
I like the idea about quality over quantity, but wasting time on some arbitrary number that doesn't help your development at all seems a bit of a time waster.
I'd just play say 5-10 games and then review those and post troublesome hands on the forum and watch some vids either from Dom or other sources. |
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| savrababa |
I don't really intend to keep it that small for very long though. I just wanted to make sure that I start doing this right and not get lazy after 2-3 days and start letting my commitments go. So I'll play small volume to be sure that I do my reviews or that I post my troublesome hands. Hopefully I will start putting volume in again steadily, the more comfortable I get with this method. |
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| savrababa |
I was hopping to be playing at Titan poker by now and having a 51% rakeback deal, but apparently using your mothers credit card to deposit $300 makes you a potential thief and so they need to freeze your account until they are sure you are not a criminal mastermind that plans to destroy them.
I deposited $100 on Stars and playing there until they decide to unfreeze my account at Titan. Been playing a mix of $3.5 and $7. I know I am underolled for the $7's but when I feel good I decide to play those and see what happens. 
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| savrababa |
Just played 8 matches against the same opponent.
From a point on I started to picture him as throwing dice by the computer to decide what to do. But not a bad life for this boy.. He pulled some ridiculous outdraws on me, which I will not bother you with. The thing is I wasn't really feeling tilted when playing the guy. I could find another opponent to play with where it won't have to be pushing full stacks pre flop and be able to keep a lower variance game. I know that what he does makes variance go nuts but it still gives you a clear advantage. If you could play that villain 20 times a day you would definitely have profit in the long run. The graph would just be really swingy. Kinda like the super turbos I guess. So although it didn't really work out I think it was the right choice to keep playing him. Here is the graph from Stars so far.  [/img]
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| savrababa |
150 games on Stars so far.
Not running very well but thats ok. It is so hard to manage to conquer something like poker while working full time and maintaining a balanced life. I feel exhausted at times but I realize how much progress I've made and that gives me strength to keep going. I am determined to do this and I will. It will just have to take more time than I would like it to. As long as I keep learning everything is going to turn out right. Hopefully..
One question. Why does sharkscope say that I am winning 8 euros when I am actually winning 22? Is there any way I won something that it didn't track? I 've only played HUSNG's.. |
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| savrababa |
I'm playing a small volume these days.
Many friends are visiting for the summer vacations and it's hi-season at the casino so I have little time left. Still I think taking a break and playing whenever I feel like it for the last couple of weeks had a positive effect on me. I think I was burnt out a bit. This is the graph from stars I think sharkscope gets confused with the buy-ins on stars. I'm up around $100 and it says i'm $31.. 
I'm switching to pokerstars.fr soon to get use of Brokers offer. With dedication and Brokers help we can have a Tagpoker team crushing the site
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