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| Kingmunkey |
MisterSqueezes 6max build upWelcome everybody to MisterSqueezes bankroll build.I started a bankroll build in sept with the 6max cash school for a short time before it stopped running. But decided to start another one as its good for motivation and posting hands etc and i also enjoy doing it. I believe 100% in my ability to become a winning poker reg and im ready to put everything into it , and if it doesnt work out then hay i gave it my best shot and ill go back to playing the odd mtt or sng for a bit of fun. My bankroll is currently $291 I will be playing NL10 slightly under rolled but im going with it if i lose 30 buyins then far enough, until i have built my roll to around $700-800 or if im running well and feel good about my game i may take some shots before then at NL20 Im going to be playing on William Hill under the alias MisterSqueeze an ipoker skin where i get a rakeback deal of 55% Volume wise i have to be realistic as i work full time and have a young family i do get time to play in the evenings as the mrs works nights so i think somewhere around 10k hands a month. I will be 4 tabling to start with so i can really get a hold of what is happening at the table who the fish are, what styles people are playing, timing tells, betting patterns, note taking etc something i dont do enough of and after chatting to broker earlier its something that really needs addressing in my game as my non showdown winnings is really effecting my overall profit. My poker goal is to be playing at NL50 by the end of 2012 id be happy to get this level beat it and go from there. So thats it i know everyone here will be supportive as ever 
If anyone is playing 6max cash and wants to chat share hhs videos etc then add me on skype rbutcher81. Thought id add my graph from the time i opended my new account on hills its been a slow start and rb has saved me this month but as you can see nsdw is a bit of a problem at the minute. 
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| BetMagicMoney |
4 tabling is a good start
GL sir and best of luck 
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| Kingmunkey |
thanks BMM going to hit the tables shortly and see if i can finish the month in the green 
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| BetMagicMoney |
just a few pointers, just by looking at the graph i'd say maybe somethings to look at
Vbet thinner 3bet more C/R more so be more aggro  but obv this is a guess i have no idea what your stats are like
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| U Cook Socks |
Check Raising should be a very small part of your game @ micro stakes imo. Not that it isn't a profitable move, and your only real weapon playing oop, without the lead in the hand. However, you really don't need to put yourself in that position, flat calling oop is bad for the most part, so just play in position, and at least with the lead in the hand at least if your not. Obv you can flat like small pp and so on, but I wouldn't reccomend turning to many of those in to bluffs. My 3 tips (one of them you mentioned) - Value bet thinner
- Abuse position to the max - When you get raised v anything other than a Lagg, your one pair hand is toast, if you get raised by a Tagg, your two pair hand is toast. If you get raised on the turn, you need a pretty solid hand to continue.Obviously as you move up and play better players this wont be as straight forward, but I believe for the micros it really is. |
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| Kingmunkey |
Thanks man i guess i am a bit on the nitty side , thought id post my stats as they stand, so if anyone reading the thread sees something that sticks out that can be improved on please let me know any advice is gratefully received
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| Kingmunkey |
thanks blazing appreciated mate , i think your points make perfect sense at the micros ive played a decent volume over the year to agree with what you said , and as a rule i really dont play to many pots oop so its good to be reassured im doing some things right. | ||||
| U Cook Socks |
Raising way to many hands in early and mid position, and not enough on the button. Playing to many hands in EP is probably costing you money, small sample but I'd like to bet you are losing money from UTG and UTG +1 | ||||
| BetMagicMoney |
yer im with blazing, only thing that really sticks out is, 2many hands in EP and not enough on the button, but you overall stats eg/. 23/18/8 seem just fine for low stacks games | ||||
| Brokerstar |
Ok at a glance.
Looks like you're raising way too many hands from early position as blazing said. You really want a tight UTG range but you can play much wider from the cut off and button. It says limp 2% but I cant think of any reasons to limp in in a 6 max game on the whole. Your fold to 3 bet% looks quite low and so you may be calling 3 bets too light which is even worse if you're doing it out of position (playing lots of hands from EP). Steal % could be higher so again that will come as you play less hands UTG and open up a bit more from the cut off and button. Your C bet % is a bit low too, I think something around 70-75% is probably spot on. Your fold to c bet also looks low which says to me that you're calling too light on the flop perhaps? You also donk bet into the pre flop raiser 25% of the time which is something I wouldn't do. A donk bet doesn't make up a huge part of my play, only in certain situations for the most part so it looks like you do it too often. Would love to know your criteria for donk betting into the pre flop raiser, what kind of hand strength do you do it with? Other than that, it's a tiny sample so some of these stats need more time and hands played to become accurate. Broker |
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| U Cook Socks |
10% seems quite a high percentage to be calling a raise too in mid pos, seeing as UTG reps strong range (and usually has one in the most part) It might be okay, maybe Broker can confirm, but it seems a lot to me. Don't forget there are still 4 people to act behind you who can 3 bet too.
Don't think you are 3betting enough on the button either, although this isn't going to be a huge leak, like not folding cbets often enough and w/e you really can and should abuse position. *edit* This post started a new page, please make sure you go back to the previous page and read what BrokerStar wrote. |
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| Jakester1288 |
I don't even play 6 max but what about limping behind with suited connectors and small pocket pairs? |
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| Brokerstar |
That would be classed as a call not recorded as a limp and I sometimes do it in position if there are more fish in the blinds or it's already a very multi way pot. If the blinds look tighter or solid and it's just a fish that's limped in then I'd sooner iso raise him to play heads up vs him as well as give myself more ways to win the pot. |
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| Kingmunkey |
Ok firstly thanks for everyone taking the time responding to the thread you really are all bloody lovely people
So after blazings post id thought id have a look at positions and where i have made/loss money even though its over a small sample size i guess it still gives a rough idea where im losing money. 
I was actually expecting to see much more of a lose in early and middle position as i def do open wider than i should in these positions tbh i didnt really notice i was doing it but i havent been adjusting hand ranges as much as i should, ive been pretty much using the same range from utg to the button. So i will def change and adapt a different opening range in my next session. BMM made the point i wasnt raising enough from the button, so i got out ryan fees 6max guide and had a look at his opening hand range on the button and im mucking hands like J9o+ 89o+ 64s+ 106s+ which he recommends opening with. So ill def start adding these into my range. Broker i thank you sir for putting the time into looking over my stats, Tbh i actually try not to limp at all when im playing its something i picked up in the videos on the forum with yourself and alex and i cant actually think what hands i have limped in with maybe 22 33 44 but id say im opening with those 90% of the time. The donk betting into the pfr isnt something i realised i did that much but looking over hem its obviously costing me alot of money this i suppose is the typical sort of thing ive been doing, my reasoning i guess is i dont want to just give up on the hand and knowing im not going to call any bet i lead out to try and take it down there if im called i shut down and raised obv fold. IPoker Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter UTG: $26.57 CO: $10.11 BTN: $8.55 Hero (SB): $10.13 BB: $18.05 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T  J
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold Flop: ($0.70) 3  2 K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, CO calls $0.45 Its not until i replayed the hand i realised how much this is costing me 
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| Brokerstar |
Yeah in most cases you're donking and then getting called or raised and giving up which will all have a negative impact on your non SD winnings.
There are other problems with donk betting too as it's often seen as a weak line and that's that a more aggressive player can get you to fold easily. For example let's say I raise pre flop with AQ and a player calls OOP with say 88. Flop is K,T,3 and the guy with 88 donks out to 'test where he's at' and because he doesn't want to call a bet. I read this as a weak line and raise his donk bet and he has to fold. The problem is that he does have the best hand but still has no way of knowing it and is just losing money, making this play. |
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| U Cook Socks |
The hand ranges in the Ryan Fee book are pretty good actually, make sure you read how he adjusts to the table though, it's quite important. You can actually nit his opening range up a bit if you want at $10 nl. Just having a solid p/f is the basis of a strong game. Even though playing post flop is more important, and where your main edge comes from, alot of mistakes begin pre/flop.
That Ryan Fee book, for a totally free book, is pretty damn good imo, some solid advice in it, even though it was written a long time ago now, it's still very good. It's a small sample size to be fair, and those stats are pretty amazing, you are winning a ridic amount from the BB, where you really would expect to be losing money tbh. Abuse your button, really, it is just so important, open folding J9 on the button , in most circumstances is really a crime. $10 NL is a nit fest these days, players are folding 80-90% in the blinds, you want those blinds, they are your bread and butter. It's not difficult to check which players are going to cause you problems in the blinds and which aren't. Beware of short stackers in the blinds, and adjust your ranges accordingly. |
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| Kingmunkey |
Thanks guy.
Yeah i can totally see how that line looks weak to the player ip , i just never really looked at it in that way before  .
Blazing, yeah pretty good read for free im going to read over a few chapters later on adjusting and button play.
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| Kingmunkey |
So first session of the month wasnt the best dropped 2 buyins didnt feel i played badly overall and i put into practice some of the leaks mentioned before, i did however pay the price of bluff barrelling the wrong person who called me down all the way with bottom pair , sigh. I should know better by now thinking that fish might actually fold bottom pair for there whole stack but they really dont, i need to stop this.
The only hand in the session i thought maybe could of been played out differently is this one. IPoker Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter SB: $13.88 Hero (BB): $10.54 UTG: $10.30 CO: $10.38 BTN: $19.44 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 9  9
3 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20 Flop: ($0.60) 6 3 7 (2 players)
SB bets $0.45, Hero raises to $1.46, SB calls $1.01 Turn: ($3.52) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.64, SB calls $2.64 River: ($8.80) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks villians stats 
Would it have been better to 3bet this pre to take it down? Having made the call i think he cbets most his range here so i raised for value. Looking back over the hand think i may prefer checking the turn and getting to showdown the turn card wasnt great ..... yeah think i prefer this now , what do you wonderful people think? |
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| Kingmunkey |
Thought id make a quick update , pretty much breaking even happy with the way im playing lately and noticed a change in nsdw basically just not putting myself in bad spots oop this has saved a ton of dollar.
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| Kingmunkey |
Hey guys thought i would make a quick update
Not been able to put many sessions in this last couple of weeks due to long working days trying to get a contract finished before christmas. Things are going in the right direction hopefully i can really put some volume in over the next 2 weeks as im off work now for christmas 
My plan for next couple of months is more of the same really keep grinding it up and maybe take a shot at nl20 once i hit the $100 mark (green line). Oh and thank god for 55% rackback
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| Kingmunkey |
Big sigh ! after getting back into profit i had 2 bad sessions and dropped back 5 buyins still happy in my play id say 1 out of the 5 was pretty tilty.
Year total -$47.09 13k hands but including rb $32 in profit I just couldnt get anything going and when i did nothing went my way , still happy enough with my play though overall. Like this for example against the only fish at the table IPoker Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter rachelxx (UTG): $4.99 a3a3EJL1L0 (CO): $10.29 judged666 (BTN): $10.00 SlimJim987 (SB): $10.00 Hero (BB): $10.26 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A A
rachelxx raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.95, rachelxx calls $0.65 Flop: ($1.95) A T 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, rachelxx bets $3.90, Hero raises to $9.31, rachelxx calls $0.14 all in Turn: ($10.03) K (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($10.03) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $10.03 rachelxx shows 4 3
rachelxx wins $9.37 (Rake: $0.66) Going to play another session later hopefully i can run a bit better and put a winning one in
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| Kingmunkey |
Thought it was time for an update , been running ok but red line is still pretty grim  just cant seem to get this bankroll going  feels like im stuck at being a break even player which is slowly becoming very frustrating 
Also my stats as they stand after 17k hands 
If anything stands out with my stats which could be improved please let me know any help will be gratefully received
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| JamEaze |
One thing that stands out for me, Your VPIP/PFR should be higher on the button, and your VPIP smaller on the SB. The button is extremely powerful in 6max, given that hand values are higher than full ring. I might be inclined to start 3betting the button more as well, to stop people "buying" the button from you from MP or CO.
Just my $0.02 chap |