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blsmur

i know you guys are sick of me but!

I have been going over Brokers course  yet again  and  it seem to me I  am the world dumbest student  and  poker player

I let a call stn beat me by not believing his river bets

mind you he wouldnt fold any hand  or barely any hand if he has a pair  he will not fold

that is fine I need to get a hand to beat him A high is no good or 2 pair or trips  played him twice and  could not get the upper hand

I cant ever win a race when i need to

and  after going through this course again  i am worse  I also watch the first 2 videos on tag front page , this morning as a bit of a warm up .

the thing i notice is if i cant get  hands  ie if I dont make some good hands  during the game that i can capitalize on then i just cant win  the game  

this leads me to believe I am never going to make it in HU  purely because there is no way I will  ever get  games where I get more good hands than my opponent    

so I am lost as to how to beat  this hu game nothing is working for me  i have spent a shit load of money trying to get it  
is there any one out there that would be willing to work with me for free
i have no money left for courses or coaching  i just want a friend to help me sweat  me  and see if you can get me out of this fucking hole  I am in
U Cook Socks

First thing I want to say is this. Don't beat yourself up, beating poker isn't easy. There are far, far more losers at poker than winners. The biggest winners are the poker rooms, and then there are a small percentage of winners, the rest are losing players, that is a fact.

I can't spend the time to help you, I don't have enough hours in the day for everything I want to do really. I think you have been fortunate though, some of the top players have gone out of their way to try and help you, when they ignore mere mortals like myself  Very Happy

You can take this how you want, I speak as I find, and say things how I see them, imo you have a problem listening to what is being said. It doesn't take much working out who the people worth listening to are, that's how I learned (the basics at least) just listen and question people who win. You spend far to much time arguing (disagreeing) with said people. I see you write comments, like "well that's what I do" or "that's what I always do" this is so wrong, and if you are going to succeed, you need to change this. No situations are the same in poker, lots of different things to take in to account, you can't have a default setting.

You don't need to have more good hands to win at HU than your opponent (for what it's worth, over enough time, you will have exactly the same hands as your opponents) If the player who had the best cards won all the time, there would be no winners. I have said this before, and I still believe it is true. There is enough information for free on this site alone, to allow you to beat at least $10 games if not higher. If you have HUSNG.COM subscription, then more than enough to get you to at least $30 games.

If I were you I would start from the beggining, unlearn everything you have learned, and try and get a grasp on the very basics. (Primo's Husng from scratch is a great place to start) even if it's a little dated, still very good imo. You have to try and grasp concepts, and why you are doing things, not just say "that's what I do"

Good luck anyway, I understand your frustration, but you really just need to work harder, and more effectively.
doodiewiz

keep going dude. A quick look through that HH and i think you're playing a lot better then i remember. More controlled Smile
blsmur

U Cook Socks wrote:
First thing I want to say is this. Don't beat yourself up, beating poker isn't easy. There are far, far more losers at poker than winners. The biggest winners are the poker rooms, and then there are a small percentage of winners, the rest are losing players, that is a fact.

I can't spend the time to help you, I don't have enough hours in the day for everything I want to do really. I think you have been fortunate though, some of the top players have gone out of their way to try and help you, when they ignore mere mortals like myself  Very Happy

You can take this how you want, I speak as I find, and say things how I see them, imo you have a problem listening to what is being said. It doesn't take much working out who the people worth listening to are, that's how I learned (the basics at least) just listen and question people who win. You spend far to much time arguing (disagreeing) with said people. I see you write comments, like "well that's what I do" or "that's what I always do" this is so wrong, and if you are going to succeed, you need to change this. No situations are the same in poker, lots of different things to take in to account, you can't have a default setting.

You don't need to have more good hands to win at HU than your opponent (for what it's worth, over enough time, you will have exactly the same hands as your opponents) If the player who had the best cards won all the time, there would be no winners. I have said this before, and I still believe it is true. There is enough information for free on this site alone, to allow you to beat at least $10 games if not higher. If you have HUSNG.COM subscription, then more than enough to get you to at least $30 games.

If I were you I would start from the beggining, unlearn everything you have learned, and try and get a grasp on the very basics. (Primo's Husng from scratch is a great place to start) even if it's a little dated, still very good imo. You have to try and grasp concepts, and why you are doing things, not just say "that's what I do"

Good luck anyway, I understand your frustration, but you really just need to work harder, and more effectively.


Mark i have  actually said  this is what i am currently doing i will try to change

I have gone  back to limping  omg  this just puts me in harms way   because i have even less idea where I am at  , I  know Broker teaches the limp early and then turn it around  later in the game  
and stab at pots   or turns
and then if I raise i am very able to  triple barrel if I think it will work

but mostly 2 barrel  around 60 % pot on flop and send bet is around the same value if I am not sure  

I find i am being called down by some ridiculous hands  , when i get an opponent like this  I never know  what to do I try and make good decisions but so often they  bet river  only to find out they either have air or the nuts  with  ok hands they usually just calling  

if i raise any hand they just fold so i raise some junk and win a fold here an there
but when we have ak  and hit our K on flop, and opponent goes all in
should i be folding ?  
the more a player bluff bets  and i call i am making a mistake  but he is robbing me blind only to get lucky on river and actually make a pair and my AK is down the tube  should i be shoving my AK preflop with 50 bb

I think what happens to me more than anything is when i try and learn  I lose and lose and lose and then after about 30 games it stops and i make some headway
until I make post like the KK hand i folded  ,everyone say it was wrong  so from then on i am back to losing again because I think I am making mistakes by folding, now down 30 buyins since the KK hand ,   but it seems to me when someone goes all in on river the most obvious answer is we need the nuts to call  and I am now calling with less than the nuts and i lose every time except one guy with 500 chips left and i called with A high  and he was bluffing
but the majority are not bluffing when they shove on flop or turn or river  they are holding 2 pair or better  

anyway thanks for your reply
Ron
blsmur

doodiewiz wrote:
keep going dude. A quick look through that HH and i think you're playing a lot better then i remember. More controlled Smile


thankyou for the vote of confidence I look forward to your comments
BetMagicMoney

i haven't got there yet, learning curves are differrent for different people, just keep going Very Happy
StasKo

i think you need to shift your focus to the mathematical nature of the game..
its seems that you are too much results oriented.. you make decisions based on previous results rather than the right mathematical decision..

for example i remember you wrote something about not calling lighter (or something like that) when playing the second guy in a 4-MAN SnG.. thats just wrong to think this way at all.. you place yourself in endless loop of wrong decisions based on previous results... its like you giving yourself a bunch of choices, but they all are wrong..

i think that the way to get out of this mindset is to focus on the more technical-mathematical nature of the game..
just focus on improving the ability to assign ranges and do the math.. forget about the outcome.. just assign ranges and do math..
nitid1

hi Blsmur,

for what it is worth. You play the micro's like me still? Turbo or regular?


Stop barreling, or do it very rarely, like just on a draw heavy board with a scare card hitting the turn and only when against an opponent that is tight and controlled. Barreling mistakes cost a fortune in the later stages of a game!!!! We are just beginners!!! Most of our opponents are quite loose, you need to have value. Also do not try to catch villains barrels for bluffs, specially later in the game.

Review your games (like the biggest looser after a session) and check out what actions made you loose a big chunk of your stack. You will see sometimes certain actions repeat like:


For ex: Going to far with Axhigh kicker., Going to far with under pairs, medium pairs. Going to far with top pair against a extremely tight player that suddently is waking up (raising you). C betting to much against loose players without value.

Limping is fine, but when people attack your limps, then limp some stronger holdings as well and raise some medium holdings. However, if you limp with a very strong holding, then do not reraise his raise, unless you play a maniac since they will fold. Do not be afraid to fold preflop, but remember that a villain minraising every hand is actually doing you a favor each time you hold a good holding.

Trap the agro attackers by letting them bet into you.



Also: Playing to big of pots with medium holdings and to small of pots with big holdings...

Stop investing money in learning. Seems you have it all. Get rid of HUM for now. When i play i check free sharcscope or playerscope to take a look at villains last games/year. At the micro's you can see that winners will be tight agro players so DO NOT FIGHT their rare raises unless you have TOP holdings. Loosers will be mostly loose, to passive or to agressive.

Stop complaining about bad cards coming!! Poker is kung fu. You need discipline to make it and wisdom. Bad times come for all, and go away. However it is you that needs to remain steady and controlled. If you get al EMO, you are the kind of player the good players will seek out and destroy. Look for some good sites/reading focussing just on attitude and emotions when it comes to poker or life in general, i see no big difference.

If this does not work out for you, so be it. Poker is not friendly at all. Be prepared to face that it may not be beatable for you and consider better ways to spend your time. I did and still do, but i come back and feel like improving. The day i check my stats and see that by no means poker potential justifies the time and honest effort i spend with it i quit. Life is too short.

Just my idea...

Regards,

If you like you can send me a HH file and i will check it out, not that i assume to know much about it, but i may learn from it, so that is why i want to do it.

Skype: nilic1

Greets and good Luck.
The Angler

Keep posting hands in the forum, from a quick glance at the small stakes section it doesn't look like you've posted all that much.

Really focus on correctly identifying how your opponent is playing and apply the correct counter strategy. Make sure that when your opponent starts to play different you also start to play differently based on how your opponent changed his/her play.
_red_dog

Sounds as though you lack discipline.
blsmur

_red_dog wrote:
Sounds as though you lack discipline.



discipline o tilt   i think the result are similar

I have found that i am going on tilt after I find i have been doing something wrong   eg when i fold and everyone says I should call  , so from then  on i have been calling  and  it just gets worse

I think I have gotten on top of it again and  back playing nice tight game  with my usual steals and bluffs and hopefully with the fix  and there have been a few fixes this last month   so I will continue on   and see how we go . hopefully i can report something a bit different  in the future
U Cook Socks

blsmur wrote:
_red_dog wrote:
Sounds as though you lack discipline.



discipline o tilt   i think the result are similar

I have found that i am going on tilt after I find i have been doing something wrong   eg when i fold and everyone says I should call  , so from then  on i have been calling  and  it just gets worse

I think I have gotten on top of it again and  back playing nice tight game  with my usual steals and bluffs and hopefully with the fix  and there have been a few fixes this last month   so I will continue on   and see how we go . hopefully i can report something a bit different  in the future


This is your problem. You aren't coming up against the same situations over and over, they all have different variables, which need taking in to account. So if someone says on here, that you should call a certain hand, the right decision could quite easily be completely different in a different match, v a different player, with different stack sizes, different game flow etc etc. Poker isn't a one size fits all type of game.
blsmur

nitid1 wrote:
hi Blsmur,

for what it is worth. You play the micro's like me still? Turbo or regular?


Stop barreling, or do it very rarely, like just on a draw heavy board with a scare card hitting the turn and only when against an opponent that is tight and controlled. Barreling mistakes cost a fortune in the later stages of a game!!!! We are just beginners!!! Most of our opponents are quite loose, you need to have value. Also do not try to catch villains barrels for bluffs, specially later in the game.

Review your games (like the biggest looser after a session) and check out what actions made you loose a big chunk of your stack. You will see sometimes certain actions repeat like:


For ex: Going to far with Axhigh kicker., Going to far with under pairs, medium pairs. Going to far with top pair against a extremely tight player that suddently is waking up (raising you). C betting to much against loose players without value.

Limping is fine, but when people attack your limps, then limp some stronger holdings as well and raise some medium holdings. However, if you limp with a very strong holding, then do not reraise his raise, unless you play a maniac since they will fold. Do not be afraid to fold preflop, but remember that a villain minraising every hand is actually doing you a favor each time you hold a good holding.

Trap the agro attackers by letting them bet into you.



Also: Playing to big of pots with medium holdings and to small of pots with big holdings...

Stop investing money in learning. Seems you have it all. Get rid of HUM for now. When i play i check free sharcscope or playerscope to take a look at villains last games/year. At the micro's you can see that winners will be tight agro players so DO NOT FIGHT their rare raises unless you have TOP holdings. Loosers will be mostly loose, to passive or to agressive.

Stop complaining about bad cards coming!! Poker is kung fu. You need discipline to make it and wisdom. Bad times come for all, and go away. However it is you that needs to remain steady and controlled. If you get al EMO, you are the kind of player the good players will seek out and destroy. Look for some good sites/reading focussing just on attitude and emotions when it comes to poker or life in general, i see no big difference.

If this does not work out for you, so be it. Poker is not friendly at all. Be prepared to face that it may not be beatable for you and consider better ways to spend your time. I did and still do, but i come back and feel like improving. The day i check my stats and see that by no means poker potential justifies the time and honest effort i spend with it i quit. Life is too short.

Just my idea...

Regards,

If you like you can send me a HH file and i will check it out, not that i assume to know much about it, but i may learn from it, so that is why i want to do it.

Skype: nilic1

Greets and good Luck.


hi  add me if you like and we can talk   game i play  at micros are  std turbo and some hypers  

as for poker it is my hobby and that is it , it would be nice to say i can make money from it regularly but it is not  the only way I can make money  so I can afford to  try a bit longer  at the HU scene , I 'l make  it 12 months  and then move back to tournaments I think
I have certainly learn a lot of stuff and i can see it helps me during hands that i would have otherwise folded  and I manage to pick the extra pot here and there when i play cash and tourney   so it is not a waste of time  but I certainly have had a hard time  understanding a lot of stuff due to some misunderstandings when i did the broker course  and also to some stuff that just comes along and i may interpret wrongly or just some bad info i got here n there

long term i will be profitable at poker but probably never great  
well you cant  have every thing
blsmur

U Cook Socks wrote:
blsmur wrote:
_red_dog wrote:
Sounds as though you lack discipline.



discipline o tilt   i think the result are similar

I have found that i am going on tilt after I find i have been doing something wrong   eg when i fold and everyone says I should call  , so from then  on i have been calling  and  it just gets worse

I think I have gotten on top of it again and  back playing nice tight game  with my usual steals and bluffs and hopefully with the fix  and there have been a few fixes this last month   so I will continue on   and see how we go . hopefully i can report something a bit different  in the future


This is your problem. You aren't coming up against the same situations over and over, they all have different variables, which need taking in to account. So if someone says on here, that you should call a certain hand, the right decision could quite easily be completely different in a different match, v a different player, with different stack sizes, different game flow etc etc. Poker isn't a one size fits all type of game.


yep i think a lot of the problems i have are related to that , quite a few games  i have had guys shove on me  and i called thinking it was right  and it was wrong  so i am back to folding them again   eg  i have KK and board is all low  and opponent shoves   most of the time they have flopped a monster when they do that   and after the KK hand i folded i have called nearly every shove   but
I am over it and back on an even keel  again
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