Archive for Tagpoker Forum A friendly place for winning poker players to share their strategy to making money playing poker.          Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Heads Up Poker Strategy blsmur I am playing better hi guys I have posted this Hand History for comment I am playing better overall and I think I am doing pretty much what Dom teaches but I want input on my gameplay this guy is typical player on William hill poker i have been getting quite a bit wrong after playing against Jakester a couple of weeks ago so i went back to and studied more of the new coaching from Dom in his updated coarse the result is way different for me now as I can fold   so here is  me today playing well I think thanks for taking the time to have a look this is exported from holdem manager hope it is ok regards Ron Click to download file Jakester1288 If I remember, I'll review this for you tomorrow mate. I'd make a video leakfinder if my mic wasn't a bitch with this computer, so will probably just post my comments in this thread. blsmur i guess no one has bothered to loook at this well thats fine   i am playing better currently up to about 200 games on  william hill another 100 and i be done the players on will hill are hard to play in general there doesnt seem tobe many  so perhaps they all from here in husngo any way so I not doing as well as I would like  but i doing ok only a couple of them get to push me around on the table some swear at me something chronic  never had so much abuse at the table before so I must be something right  or not that they think is right lol well i might make a video of my play see if that entices some comments U Cook Socks I'll review it for you, just to show there are no hard feelings, if you want me to ? Gotta finish another chaps that I promised to do, but can do it today or tomorrow sometime. Work not started to well, has rained the past two days   Jakester1288 blsmur wrote: i guess no one has bothered to loook at this well thats fine   i am playing better currently up to about 200 games on  william hill another 100 and i be done the players on will hill are hard to play in general there doesnt seem tobe many  so perhaps they all from here in husngo any way so I not doing as well as I would like  but i doing ok only a couple of them get to push me around on the table some swear at me something chronic  never had so much abuse at the table before so I must be something right  or not that they think is right lol well i might make a video of my play see if that entices some comments Yeaaahhh plz make a video w/ commentary. Sorry I forgot to do this. But if you do a video I'll definitely be watching! U Cook Socks File wont download, just a load of script comes up. There may be something I can do with this, but I am not real good with computers, so if someone could explain, would be grateful. Cheers. kolonel Re: I am playing better blsmur wrote: Click to download file popopop is a pain in the arse sometimes..... it would be easier to upload the HH from the computer > it should be in the folder you use to archive your HEM games.  shout out if oyu need a hand with this. blsmur Blazing_Saddler wrote: File wont download, just a load of script comes up. There may be something I can do with this, but I am not real good with computers, so if someone could explain, would be grateful. Cheers. ok mate   i thought there was a problem with it i export it from HEM but it didnt look right i am about to upload a short vid  of my typical game   perhaps you could look at that Thanks blsmur ok i have got it all done enjoy http://www.viddler.com/explore/blsmur/videos/1/ Jakester1288 K4 - What were your intentions on the turn, regarding different bet sizes and cards? KK - Don't min3bet. Like, ever. You've giving him such good odds. Pop it up to about 3x, so 120-140 here. Gotta raise on this flop as played. A8 - whats your reasoning for shoving this pre? Is it a bluff? What's calling you off thats worse? A7 - fold to the 3bet here. K7 - no, you didn't flop the nuts. flatting it to a minraise is probably ok. bet more like 60 OTT, potting it is way too much, because his range is so weak, and theres not too many  draws on board. q4- fold pre. this donk bet serves no purpose. KK- 3bet more pre. OTF, your reasoning for your bet sizing that 'if he has an ace he'll tell me, if he doesn't he'll dump it' is pretty terrible. this might well be true, but if it is, why would you bet pot? if he's folding to 200 hes folding to 100-125, and we save more chips when he does raise w/ the smaller cbet. kk (2nd time) - there is NO case for flatting here. you have kings sir, only 1 hand beats us, we're re raising and getting value from so many Ax and weaker PP's/broadways. KJ - just re raise to 240 here, 400 is too much and scares off hands we want to keep in the pot. QT - shove over his donk bet OTF. donk bets are usually weak pairs or draws, we have a monster draw here (8 outs to straight, 3 to overcard = about 44% equity), plus the fold equity we have (we gain ~240 chips when he folds, and sometimes he'll be calling off w/ worse hands like flush draws), it's +EV IMO to just shove over his flop bet instead of drawing w/ incorrect odds. 76 - fold pre, or if we're playing it, 3bet 2.5x as a bluff. i think we're a bit short to be flatting 76o. yes you made mistakes, problem is you often struggle to find them yourself. also, please learn the proper meanings of terms like 3bet :p kierkegaard1 start minraising. min-raise/fold K4, fold flop Kk 3bet bigger, bet flop. as played, shove turn. (you butchered this hand.) A8 shove is terrible. if he 3bet to a proper size, is fine against 33% 3bettor over decent sample. A7 - as above, if 3bet % is over decent sample, you can shove if he flats 4bets, if he shoves or folds over 4bets you can 4bet/fold. as played, fold. horrible flat. K7 flat pre is fine, chk flop. Q4 fold. dont donk. just chk/fold. KK - 3bet size this time is perfect! half pot, or just less than half pot bet on flop is all that is needed. psb is bad. KK is fine. 66, c-r bigger. 78, dont limp. KJ c/r is ridiculously big. 96, call the jam QTs bet turn. blsmur Jakester1288 wrote: K4 - What were your intentions on the turn, regarding different bet sizes and cards? FOLD IF MISS A PAIR IF HE SHOWS  LOTS OF AGG ON THE K I WOULD ALSO FOLD KK - Don't min3bet. Like, ever. You've giving him such good odds. Pop it up to about 3x, so 120-140 here. YEP GOOD POINT   Gotta raise on this flop as played. A8 - whats your reasoning for shoving this pre? Is it a bluff? What's calling you off thats worse? I AM NORMALLY HAPPY TO SHOVE Ax ANYTIME IF I AM BEAT SO BE IT ALSO THE RISK TO ME WAS MINIMAL  I HAD HIM OUT CHIPPED A7 - fold to the 3bet here.   THE SAME APPLIES HERE   HE MADE THE MISTAKE NOT ME ( IMO) AND HE GOT LUCKY ON TURN K7 - no, you didn't flop the nuts. flatting it to a minraise is probably ok. OK NOT THE ABSOLUTE NUTS I KNOW THAT   BUT GOT MOST  BEAT HERE bet more like 60 OTT, potting it is way too much, because his range is so weak, and theres not too many  draws on board. THERE IS A DRAW  TJ GOT THE STR8 q4- fold pre. this donk bet serves no purpose. YEAH   CALLED BY ACCIDENT NORMALLY FOLD q4 OFF SO WHY NOT DONK IT I DO A LOT OF LIMPING IN SOME GAMES AND  I BET FLOP ABOUT 90% OTHERWISE WHY AM I LIMPING THIS GUY SHOWS UP WITH NOTHING SO OFTEN I HAVE TO PLAY BACK AT HIM OR I WOULD BE LOSING EVERY HAND KK- 3bet more pre. OTF, your reasoning for your bet sizing that 'if he has an ace he'll tell me, if he doesn't he'll dump it' is pretty terrible. this might well be true, but if it is, why would you bet pot? if he's folding to 200 hes folding to 100-125, and we save more chips when he does raise w/ the smaller cbet. YES YOUR RIGHT  AND IF I BET TOO LITTLE HE MIGHT JUST SHOVE ON ME AND I GOT TO FOLD THEY DO THAT TO ME ALL THE TIME AND I FOLD AND THEN THEY SHOW 35 OFF  HAPPENS LOTS SO I FIGURE MAKE THEM BE WILLING TO PROVE IT HERE  AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT ON RIVER   WHEN I HAVE SPENT MORE MONEY kk (2nd time) - there is NO case for flatting here. you have kings sir, only 1 hand beats us, we're re raising and getting value from so many Ax and weaker PP's/broadways. NO I 3 BET 2 ND TIME AND HE FOLDS WHAT ABOUT THE 66 HAND I FLOP SET AND RE RAISE HIS FLOP CBET WOULD I HAVE BEEN BETTER TO FLAT AND CR TURN KJ - just re raise to 240 here, 400 is too much and scares off hands we want to keep in the pot. OK BUT I DONT LIKE KEEPING HANDS IN THE POT   QT - shove over his donk bet OTF. donk bets are usually weak pairs or draws, we have a monster draw here (8 outs to straight, 3 to overcard = about 44% equity), plus the fold equity we have (we gain ~240 chips when he folds, and sometimes he'll be calling off w/ worse hands like flush draws), it's +EV IMO to just shove over his flop bet instead of drawing w/ incorrect odds. 76 - fold pre, or if we're playing it, 3bet 2.5x as a bluff. i think we're a bit short to be flatting 76o. YES I AGREE   76OFF NOT A CALL WAS THINKING HE HAS HIGH CARDS  NOT FLOP A STR8 I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE REALIZED HE RAISES LOW CARDS ALL THE TIME WHEN I SAW THE  23  IT IS SO HIM LOL THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT yes you made mistakes, problem is you often struggle to find them yourself. also, please learn the proper meanings of terms like 3bet :p blsmur kierkegaard1 wrote: start minraising. min-raise/fold K4, fold flop Kk 3bet bigger, bet flop. as played, shove turn. (you butchered this hand.) A8 shove is terrible. if he 3bet to a proper size, is fine against 33% 3bettor over decent sample. A7 - as above, if 3bet % is over decent sample, you can shove if he flats 4bets, if he shoves or folds over 4bets you can 4bet/fold. as played, fold. horrible flat. K7 flat pre is fine, chk flop. Q4 fold. dont donk. just chk/fold. KK - 3bet size this time is perfect! half pot, or just less than half pot bet on flop is all that is needed. psb is bad. KK is fine. 66, c-r bigger. 78, dont limp. KJ c/r is ridiculously big. 96, call the jam QTs bet turn. HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   THE MIDDLE OF HAND IS MY WEAKEST  PLACE TO PLAY  I HAVE TROUBLE  DECIDING WHERE I AM AT IN THE MIDDLE OF HANDS SO I GET AROUND THIS BY SHOVING PRE WITH MOST Ax THE 96 HAND I WAS SO CLOSE TO CALLING  BUT I HAVE CALLED BEFORE IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION AND BEEN SO BEAT IN HIND SIGHT THE 76 HAND IF I HAD 3 BET TO 230 -250 HE WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE FOLDED ALTHOUGH HE DOES LIKE TO PLAY THE LOW CARDS AND MAY STILL HAVE CALLED IN WHICH CASE I WOULD STILL HAVE GONE BROKE THANKS  FOR YOUR INPUT I WILL TRY AND INCORPORATE THIS INTO MY GAME kolonel blsmur wrote: HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   You have had this game critiqued by two players now, and the general consensus was this is not the optimal play.  I think when you can accept guidance like this, you might find your game improving. blsmur kolonel wrote: blsmur wrote: HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   You have had this game critiqued by two players now, and the general consensus was this is not the optimal play.  I think when you can accept guidance like this, you might find your game improving. DO YOU THINK I WASN'T ACCEPTING THEIR ADVICE WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY ENGLISH I WENT ON TO SAY I WOULD TRY TO IMPLEMENT THEIR SUGGESTIONS I WAS JUST EXPLAINING MY THINKING RIGHT OR WRONG THAT WAS MY THINKING THAT IS NOT RUDE OR SAYING THEY ARE WRONG OR ANY SUCH THING I WAS EXPLAINING WHY I DID WHAT I DID I HAVE BEEN DOING IT NOW FOR QUITE A WHILE I HAD NOT HAD ANY ONE TO TELL ME OTHERWISE  SINCE I DID MY COURSE WITH  DOM I CANT GET THAT SORT OF HELP  CAN I fuck ME I THINK THEIR SUGGESTIONS A FINE DO I HAVE SUK UP TO THEM OR WHAT I SAID THANKS GET OVER THE ENGLISH  PLEASE U Cook Socks kolonel wrote: blsmur wrote: HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   You have had this game critiqued by two players now, and the general consensus was this is not the optimal play.  I think when you can accept guidance like this, you might find your game improving. Yes. I don't want to ruffle your feathers again, just giving some freindly advice. What I would reccomend is going through the match again, and reading Kierkegaards analysis. Then ask him if he would mind elaborating on some of the things if you don't understand. You want to get better, that's great, you will get better by listening to good players advice, and Kierkegaard is certainly a good player, with proven results. blsmur Blazing_Saddler wrote: kolonel wrote: blsmur wrote: HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   You have had this game critiqued by two players now, and the general consensus was this is not the optimal play.  I think when you can accept guidance like this, you might find your game improving. Yes. I don't want to ruffle your feathers again, just giving some freindly advice. What I would reccomend is going through the match again, and reading Kierkegaards analysis. Then ask him if he would mind elaborating on some of the things if you don't understand. You want to get better, that's great, you will get better by listening to good players advice, and Kierkegaard is certainly a good player, with proven results. BLAZING READ MY REPLY TO KOLONEL I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT MY Ax PLAY I WILL CERTAINLY MODIFY IT I SAID I WOULD kolonel Blazing_Saddler wrote: kolonel wrote: blsmur wrote: HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   You have had this game critiqued by two players now, and the general consensus was this is not the optimal play.  I think when you can accept guidance like this, you might find your game improving. Yes. I don't want to ruffle your feathers again, just giving some freindly advice. What I would reccomend is going through the match again, and reading Kierkegaards analysis. Then ask him if he would mind elaborating on some of the things if you don't understand. You want to get better, that's great, you will get better by listening to good players advice, and Kierkegaard is certainly a good player, with proven results. What a great idea !!! Brokerstar I'm just curious why all the writing is in block capitals? Are you shouting at us??   blsmur Brokerstar wrote: I'm just curious why all the writing is in block capitals? Are you shouting at us??   NOT YELLING oops i put it on caps when responding the the critique of my game so you can  tell what I wrote some people dont read what i wrote i thought the what was written by both jake  and keirke   was fine and i said i would try to implement it but when i said why i had been doing what i was doing  everyone thinks i am not accepting advice so   my appreciation of the English language is different  from some others   or perhaps they just didnt read all of what i said what ever i like what you guys wrote  jake and kieke it was good i will try to implement it into my game do we all understand that ? i hope so Ps i had an English father inlaw when i was 20 and he didnt understand me either pps broker before we do the vid i would like to get some mods into my game as pointed out by jake and kierke i wll give you a buzz when i think i ready unless you have other ideas   hope i havnt pissed any one else off if i have please dont be i didnt mean it i was just say why i did something kolonel blsmur wrote: Blazing_Saddler wrote: kolonel wrote: blsmur wrote: HI AS I EXPLAINED TO  JAKE TO ME Ax IS A SHOVE PERIOD RIGHT OR WRONG  THAT HAS BEEN MY THINKING FOR SOMETIME   You have had this game critiqued by two players now, and the general consensus was this is not the optimal play.  I think when you can accept guidance like this, you might find your game improving. Yes. I don't want to ruffle your feathers again, just giving some freindly advice. What I would reccomend is going through the match again, and reading Kierkegaards analysis. Then ask him if he would mind elaborating on some of the things if you don't understand. You want to get better, that's great, you will get better by listening to good players advice, and Kierkegaard is certainly a good player, with proven results. BLAZING READ MY REPLY TO KOLONEL I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT MY Ax PLAY I WILL CERTAINLY MODIFY IT I SAID I WOULD I think he was talking about the whole game, not that particular hand. blsmur hey you guys just been pullng my leg   eh to see if i wil fire up as usual well good for you you got me Brokerstar blsmur wrote: Brokerstar wrote: I'm just curious why all the writing is in block capitals? Are you shouting at us??   NOT YELLING oops i put it on caps when responding the the critique of my game so you can  tell what I wrote some people dont read what i wrote i thought the what was written by both jake  and keirke   was fine and i said i would try to implement it but when i said why i had been doing what i was doing  everyone thinks i am not accepting advice so   my appreciation of the English language is different  from some others   or perhaps they just didnt read all of what i said what ever i like what you guys wrote  jake and kieke it was good i will try to implement it into my game do we all understand that ? i hope so Ps i had an English father inlaw when i was 20 and he didnt understand me either pps broker before we do the vid i would like to get some mods into my game as pointed out by jake and kierke i wll give you a buzz when i think i ready unless you have other ideas   hope i havnt pissed any one else off if i have please dont be i didnt mean it i was just say why i did something You can do the game review whenever you like my man but here are a few things that I am thinking. Firstly you say you don't like playing post flop as that's where you get stuck. Well that's one of the hardest parts that everyone has to learn to beat the game so rather than mask your plays with extreme pre flop aggression, start thinking about what makes sense post flop and hand reading more. (there is no magic pill to do that, it takes thought and practice). Second you need to try and understand WHY the plays that the guys suggested are better and not just 'change how you are going to play those hands'. If you don't know WHY you are changing a play then you likely will not be able to implement it correctly into your play. Understand the why. You also mentioned that you joined HUSNG.com as you couldn't find the answers that you were looking for for some questions, what are these questions and perhaps we can help? All the best. Broker blsmur You also mentioned that you joined HUSNG.com as you couldn't find the answers that you were looking for for some questions, what are these questions and perhaps we can help well broker i am not sure what I am looking for all I can tell you  is I am not making money with what I have learnt so far when i tried to get you to extend my coaching you said you were not coaching any more and you dont do sweats as you think they not the best way to learn but i am not getting enough from watching your vids   but you  can obviouly play fine it is not coming across to me so I have been trying to get some coaching to help me sort out what I am doing wrong and I have  tried every offer for coaching on this website and got absolutely no where so i decide to look at husngo .com after doing a google search there was another site offering coaching and they are yet to respond 4 days now so i decided to have look at the vids on husngo for $160 i get to Download all their vids if i want to over a 3 mth period and I dont have to talk to anyone   (lol this is a joke) please dont anbyone be offended by my attempt at humor . as for what I am lacking in hu poker well from the review i have received there are some  problems with my game so i need to fix them i think if i could get a coach to  chat regularly and sweat me a few times i would learn a whole lot quicker hope ididnt piss anyone off if i did i apologize Jakester1288 The reason you aren't learning is that you aren't actually trying. As much as you think you are...you aren't. blsmur Jakester1288 wrote: The reason you aren't learning is that you aren't actually trying. As much as you think you are...you aren't. well i guess that is a matter of interpretation I think I am trying since doing the full course  i have had stages where i would make a profit  and sometimes even go 9 games straight with a win but i am not growing   i watch all the vids on this site some of them several times i try incorporate what i see   but i still break even when i was not trying to learn and played 9 man sngo i was 24% roi now i am tryng to learn it is just going no where for me now i am not shoving my Ax any more i am in more trouble havent won a game today i think i might  go an shoot my self  to save on this frustration note i not really gunna shoot myself Jakester1288 The reason you don't win is because you don't have the correct though process. You can't just say 'I'm now not shoving my Ax hands', because at times it will be the correct play. Are you familiar with the concept of expected value (EV)? blsmur for me poker is fun and i was hoping to make some money out of it i thought that when i saw Broker advertising on 2+2 i thought great 4 hours live coaching   i jump at it $200 cheap for what i was geting i would have like anothe r4 hours over the next 4 weeks as well just live sweat as i play   i think this would be great to offer   I come to poker late i in life ie i was 55 when i took it up so I had a lot of  learning to do would you believe i thought when someone bet they had a hand and i thought bluffers were cheats  and were stealing  the hands from me so i had no idea now also at this age my learning was always in facts like electronics i am good at electronics so when you come to field where facts are minimal in your decision making process there is a lot to try and understand i had to learn about odds from scratch   i had no idea about any of it i have done one hell of a lot of study i live out of town no one of my friends play poker so no one to talk to about  poker so i just buy books and study and do the best i can when i come here for heads up it a whole new ball game for me to try and deal with and to understand   so I am doing ok  considering my back ground not losing 1000s like some of the guys i look up on sharkscope so that alone is a good sign now all I want to do is make that little improvement that make me 10 % better than i am and i will start making money regularly and then i will go back to  tournaments which is what i like to play U Cook Socks I actually think you are a little misunderstood. Sometimes the tone of your posts comes across as aggressive, and arrogant. I don't believe you acutally intend this though. I also think you have taken other peoples posts in the wrong way too. You are posting on a forum, and asking for help. If someone gives you a response saying what you are doing is wrong, they aren't trying to make you feel small, or like a bad player. It is a response to try and help you. For example, Kierk took the time to watch your vid and do an analysis for you. He mentioned his $/hour is something like $150/$200/hour, so in reality the time he has taken to help you has probably cost him $100 + he isn't asking for any money, just offering some advice to give something back to the community (I think) If he had done that for me, I would have been cheeky enough to start asking questions about his reply, so I got a full grasp of what he was saying. I think sometimes you take things a bit to litterally. Like when he said shoving the A8s was bad. It was, but maybe you should ask him why ? rather than saying "that's how I have been thinking for some time" This also doesn't mean that shoving A8 is bad in every situation, sometimes it is so standard it is a mistake not too. There is no magic formula to becoming a good poker player, I have been trying for years, and I'm still not. I've won over $6k playing poker, which isn't a massive amount of money in the grand scheme of things, but its not bad for a hobby, but I'm still not a good player, or at least I don't think I am, and I strive to get better all of the time. That is the attitude to take, not think that you are playing better as the title suggests, but rather think about what you are doing wrong. There is no malice intended at all in this post, I said it to someone a few weeks ago, and they went beserk at me, but the reality is, if you aren't willing to give it everything you have got, put your heart and soul in to getting better, than maybe another hobby would be best. On the other hand if you enjoy it, and you can afford to play then there is no reason why you can't continue. Poker is more fun when you feel like you are making progress. There is without any shadow of a doubt in my mind, enough recources on this site for free, to beat the micro stakes, you need to take it all in, not just read it.  Start adding bits to your game all the time, and before you know it, you will start to see progress. Hope it all works out for you Mark. kolonel Very well said mate, and i agree with it wholeheartedly.   I cant speak for others, but i would love to see you (blsmur) crushing these games, and to help anyone and everyone that is part of this community, to become better players for it. Good luck with it all. blsmur Blazing_Saddler wrote: I actually think you are a little misunderstood. Sometimes the tone of your posts comes across as aggressive, and arrogant. I don't believe you acutally intend this though. I also think you have taken other peoples posts in the wrong way too. You are posting on a forum, and asking for help. If someone gives you a response saying what you are doing is wrong, they aren't trying to make you feel small, or like a bad player. It is a response to try and help you. For example, Kierk took the time to watch your vid and do an analysis for you. He mentioned his $/hour is something like $150/$200/hour, so in reality the time he has taken to help you has probably cost him $100 + he isn't asking for any money, just offering some advice to give something back to the community (I think) If he had done that for me, I would have been cheeky enough to start asking questions about his reply, so I got a full grasp of what he was saying. I think sometimes you take things a bit to litterally. Like when he said shoving the A8s was bad. It was, but maybe you should ask him why ? rather than saying "that's how I have been thinking for some time" This also doesn't mean that shoving A8 is bad in every situation, sometimes it is so standard it is a mistake not too. There is no magic formula to becoming a good poker player, I have been trying for years, and I'm still not. I've won over $6k playing poker, which isn't a massive amount of money in the grand scheme of things, but its not bad for a hobby, but I'm still not a good player, or at least I don't think I am, and I strive to get better all of the time. That is the attitude to take, not think that you are playing better as the title suggests, but rather think about what you are doing wrong. There is no malice intended at all in this post, I said it to someone a few weeks ago, and they went beserk at me, but the reality is, if you aren't willing to give it everything you have got, put your heart and soul in to getting better, than maybe another hobby would be best. On the other hand if you enjoy it, and you can afford to play then there is no reason why you can't continue. Poker is more fun when you feel like you are making progress. There is without any shadow of a doubt in my mind, enough recources on this site for free, to beat the micro stakes, you need to take it all in, not just read it.  Start adding bits to your game all the time, and before you know it, you will start to see progress. Hope it all works out for you Mark. this is the nicest post i have read on this site thankyou reemus1 hey blsmur, i read in this thread for 1 or 2 Days now and i think you have a big problem with your mindset and game in generell. The first think is on the micros you don't play for the money, you play for improve. You try to hard on the false things. Look at blazing he plays for longe time now and he still didnt make tones auf cash and it's not because he is poor. The other thing is, you say you watch every vid on this site and get nothing out of it. I doubt that 200 or 300 vids more from HUSNG dont make you a better player. I dont want to offend you, but you have no idea what you're doing when you play from what i see. You should think about why you doing something or what does villain. Why i'm betting? why i raise or limp? Dont understand me wrong but dont watch 20 vids and say "doh i make no money even though i see broker do it so." Broker can give you 500 hours of coaching and you dont improve, when you simply dont think and understand what you see. Start to think about your actions and you will grow and win blsmur ps I am sure I will let you know when i am being aggressive and arrogant blsmur reemus1 wrote: hey blsmur, i read in this thread for 1 or 2 Days now and i think you have a big problem with your mindset and game in generell. The first think is on the micros you don't play for the money, you play for improve. You try to hard on the false things. Look at blazing he plays for longe time now and he still didnt make tones auf cash and it's not because he is poor. The other thing is, you say you watch every vid on this site and get nothing out of it. I doubt that 200 or 300 vids more from HUSNG dont make you a better player. I dont want to offend you, but you have no idea what you're doing when you play from what i see. You should think about why you doing something or what does villain. Why i'm betting? why i raise or limp? Dont understand me wrong but dont watch 20 vids and say "doh i make no money even though i see broker do it so." Broker can give you 500 hours of coaching and you dont improve, when you simply dont think and understand what you see. Start to think about your actions and you will grow and win I do my best mate while i think I get lots wrong i am trying to understand some concepts that were completely foreign to me before i start this course so while you may think i not trying try driving on the opposite side of the road in a different country or perhaps  did you  know the i = e over r or how power is calculated or what ever you havent learnt before and in poker it is fairly abstract so when you say i not trying to learn to comprehend  i think you are over simplifying it I  am trying to understand  and  I will get better but thank you for your comments i think if every one took the time to explain  why something is good or not as opposed to just saying it then comprehension come quicker when we do maths to prove a point in poker then we should'nt have two opposing views on the same math problem eg profitable shoves it either is profitable or it is not based on maths so if i 3 bet shove with any two cards and my opponent folds 70 % of the time am i profitable but then it still may not be optimal   so that is a new concept for me I  learn about profitable 12 mths ago but optimal is new i am working on optimal the other thing  if a writer was to write my entries into this forum  and I just told him/her  what i want ed to say i doubt anyone would ever be  misunderstanding what is said but i am not a writer and the way i write may sound different when interpreted by the reader , so if you think i am being rude dont thanks Ron U Cook Socks You aren't taking enough factors in to account when thinking about if your shove is profitable though. Firstly, effective stack size. Anything under 25 bb deep is usually shallow enough to make the strategy effective. There are circumstances when it can be done deeper under the right conditions. How many buttons is your openent raising. If you use a hud, you can get a definitive answer to this, just by looking at the top of your screen. What is his calling range, somewhat harder to figure out, but it only needs to be an estimate. How much dead money is in the pot. The example  you gave you were actually 4betting, so you need to use villains 3bet stat (which wont have as accurate results) Instead of his button raise. You were far to deep anyway. blsmur Blazing_Saddler wrote: You aren't taking enough factors in to account when thinking about if your shove is profitable though. Firstly, effective stack size. Anything under 25 bb deep is usually shallow enough to make the strategy effective. There are circumstances when it can be done deeper under the right conditions. How many buttons is your openent raising. If you use a hud, you can get a definitive answer to this, just by looking at the top of your screen. What is his calling range, somewhat harder to figure out, but it only needs to be an estimate. How much dead money is in the pot. The example  you gave you were actually 4betting, so you need to use villains 3bet stat (which wont have as accurate results) Instead of his button raise. You were far to deep anyway. I think i might have been trying find an easy solution  to 3 betters and the shove was amazingly affective for me so kept doing it in the vid he was 3 betting 33% in my hud so i think he was so full of it most of the time however as kierke points out i had  75bb  at the time so that is a lot to risk   on a bluff so  I may have been lazy in my approach to this i will try to make a more rounded decision in future his fold to cbet  was 90 % so probably fairly safe shove but i am not saying this correct anymore i just watch a vid that explains this in much more detail than i have seen before so i will try to keep all of this in the brain as i play in future it is nice to get constructive  criticism Brokerstar You said earlier that you really struggled with "knowing where you're at post flop" so you just try and avoid the situation. The truth is that unless you actively push yourself to play more post flop and make sense of where you're at, then poker will not be the game for you. I have written an article which talks a little about the idea of fold equity and also has a hypothetical hand reading example in it that may begin to start helping with your board/ hand reading skill development. Of course it's impossible to cover every different hand situation that could come up as there are billions of them but this will start to get you to think about is your opponent weak or strong based on his actions on a board texture and then what kind of hands make sense off of the back of that. http://www.tagpoker.co.uk/articles/fold-equity.html Again it's only a basic starting point for some post flop play but I think it may help you to read it. Broker blsmur i have just read that article and to me  i am shutting down on the river but you say none of his hands are good on that board   except for QJ now when i  look at the flop 4s 8d 10s if i have  no pair or 23  etc i am quite happy to donk bet  oop or cbet ip \ i have absolutely no problem betting turn but my sizes may well be wrong however when  he calls I am getting scared that he has hit   now the turn is Qd  to me this completes some straights  the river is Kc well this just makes their st8 better so if i pot bet this river  I think a pot bet is more  suitable to help make a fish fold if i thought he was a better player then about 2/3 pot as a value bet but in my eyes i am committing suicide   i think i am beat  (and as i have been playing i would just shut down) so what you present here is something i would need to be pretty confident i had this guy figured out (but i will try an do it) sometimes ! i suppose if he was trapping then he is going to over bet my river bluff if he is a calling stn he is calling with the 8 if he has a read on me as being aggressive he might try and push me out on flop or turn which would work very easily if he has the nuts i guess i dont find out until the river Brokerstar So this is what I'm talking about with regards to getting comfortable post flop, especially in position. So if he peeled with overs and a gutter he may of paired up on that turn. If he's made a monster then it's with J9 for the only straight that Q makes. So on the flop when he calls I listed a whole bunch of hands that he could do this with and J9 for example is only one of those hands. So just by probability it is less likely he has a straight compared to a hand that the Q can apply pressure to. I'm not saying that he never has a straight on the turn but listen to your thought process, you're always expecting them to turn up with a monster hand rather than thinking about their entire range that makes sense to get to that point. You say that river means you are normally completely crushed by that point but how does that king change much of his hand strengths from the turn? Any straight he has on that river he already had on the turn. Would AJ call the flop and turn? (not likely) KT for two pair? likely raised the flop c bet, K8 is a possibility but again that's only a little part of the entire range. The idea of the article is just to get you thinking street by street about hand ranges and board textures. If you're opponents actions look strong or weak, etc, etc. AxeMage hey guys.. blsmur and i did a sweat yesterday and will probably do more... if anyone else is interested, feel free to join us to provide more input... we play from 10-11, and will probably do a few mins of reviewing certain key hands after the session... come on skype and if we're on, feel free to msg us.. my name on skype is xaxemagex AxeMage oh and timezone is EST (eastern standard time) and it's 10pm to 11pm        Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Heads Up Poker Strategy Page 1 of 1