Archive for Tagpoker Forum A friendly place for winning poker players to share their strategy to making money playing poker.
 


       Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Brags - Beats & Variance
Kim Cardassian

How can you ever beat these games?

I've played like 20 matches and pretty much lost them all. I play my best game, and by the time they reach 500 it goes a full 180 and the RNG decides to fuck me over. Every time I lose with QQ vs A8s, KK vs 25o, AJ vs 55, AT vs A9 it just doesnt ever end.

Did a gypsy curse me or something? Or is online poker rigged? Because I dont see any other way. Everyone is always lucky, and I just get fucked over in every game I try.
90 man KOs: I bubble 9 out of 10 times with KK vs AA as chipleader vs 2nd chipleader.
HU SNGs: I get them down to 500 chips and immediatly lose every pot from then on.
FR Cash: Every river they 4 outer me when 75% of my stack went in on the flop + turn and every time I have KK everyone either folds, or they call and hit a set, or they 3bet and have AA. Everytime I have AA they either call and hit a set, or everyone folds.

Now a whole month of work is down the drain because I can't catch a hand whenever I chip someone down to 500. It's like the pokerroom goes like "Oh crap he's about to win a game today, can't let that happen". These people are the biggest retards ever calling down with 3rd pair, yet they beat me every time with sheer unimaginable luck. Not one game, or 2 games. But 20 games in a row.
ChrisB

You're a fish. Focus on improving instead of results.
NinjaReads

Re: How can you ever beat these games?

I feel your pain, Stars has been dry shafting me the last couple of nights. If the rules of the game was to lose your stack, my opponents the last week would be naturals at it. It's no exaggerating to say they never fold but have an uncanny knack of stacking you with the smallest of all in equity.

You can't bluff at all, they're just not folding. Now and again I'll try a bluff at a scary board but no, their 32 off wins on a board full of picture cards and a rivered 2. It's f ucking unreal. F uck you Pokerstars!!!!
U Cook Socks

Jeez.

I have had some rough times with poker, it drains the life out of you. Everyone who has played for more than a few games has suffered.

You know what though, I see people who have worked hard, beating the games consistantly, so I keep plugging away. For all the rough times I have had, and I have had a few, I can honestly say, I have never once complained about it being variance. (You are welcome to try and find post if you wish) Concentrate on what YOU can do.  We all have exactly the same cards, we will all run in to AA with our KK exactly the same amount. It's what you do with those cards that matters.

It's explained very clearly in Brokers videos what to do against stations that call you down with bottom pair. Don't bluff them ! Value bet them thinly instead. There is always a way to exploit someone, it's your job to work it out. Spend more time worrying about that, than people hitting runner runners, and you will improve your game.
doodiewiz

i'll be honest i havent yet encountered that kind of variance where i drop 20 buy ins and ive no doubt it is possible, but everytime i've gone on serious downstrings its often been compounded by tilt and bad play after the initial variance. I've found it very hard to be honest with myself in these situations sometimes. Watch brokers vids - try not to question what he's doing at first just try and play like him and believe. I don't know if your a winning player(im a fish) or not but gl and if its variance I hope it flips on its head! gl!
Zipps

You should also read that amazing post Wink
"http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/poobah-post-you-suck-poker-671391/"
NinjaReads

As a serious answer I would recommend not jumping around different games like you're doing, cash, mtt's, sngs, HU. Just stick at one game you like best and learn it inside out.

SnG's are a solved game now. If you want a good roi with those you need to study every game you play in SNG Wizard and learn ICM. Watch videos from the players with the great graphs. SippinChris, Farcyde etc..  I took a break and learnt everything they did before I played another game. I used to play on a Euro site with SNG wiz on a separate monitor, I ran every hand I played through it, learning and remembering where I went wrong. I had a real time ICM calculator which I think is banned now and my game totally changed and roi went into double figures. The games tagged up so I decided to learn heads up instead but there's only one way to play those and it's not sitting playing cards.

Low stakes heads up is just common sense really, you make money from droolers and not tilting. Easier said than done the last bit.
kierkegaard1

why on earth would anybody put their hard earned money onto a website that they either believed they had a curse on, or was rigged?
that's the most stupid part of all of this
Kim Cardassian

It's funny how when you drop 20 BI you are automatically assumed to be tilting. I didn't tilt. In fact, I don't think I really tilt at all. Maybe some form of mini tilt which I might have been bothered by rarely when playing FR cash (I have to admit I made some pretty shitty stack offs when I started on those), but after I do a single stupid thing I quickly wake up. Like today I was 2000-1000 vs this tight fish and he 3bet me when I had TT. I was a little spontaneous and decided to shove it in which I think is marginal at best. And that's the biggest mistake I made in all these games. It's always some ridiculous situation like running KK into AA, getting rivered with a set (conviently when 1200 out of 1500 chips are already in the middle). I honestly wish I could see some spots where I'm like "Yea that's stupid, I was tilting there and I need to fix this". But I don't have shit to fix. I'm playing as best as I can against these absolute retards. Perhaps if I had to play better regs it would be obvious I have alot to learn, but I don't see how at this moment I can play your standard fish any better. Maybe better sizing on rivers with the nuts? Maybe bluffraising more when I don't catch a single hand? That's honestly all I can think of. The times I lost were often when I had the nuts, the guy has 600 chips left and theres a 640 pot and I decide to bet 320 as I estimate I can get alot more calls then and it's real easy to grind him down from the last 300. Of course this thought is incorrect as mr fish calls with 3rd pair and then manages to win every hand after that going from 300 to 600 from 600 to 1200 and then winning the game.

And I usually bluff a station a grand total of 3 times per match. Usually with a 25 chip bet. I lose 75 chips trying to find out of they're a station and adjust. Sometimes I only lose 25 chips as I actually managed to valuebet them with a bluff with J high because they call with 9 high. Massive leak?

And this whole story of "you are not as good as you think you are" is ridiculous, especially for the limits I'm playing. I'm not jumping in the $220s and expecting to crush them like I'm frigging red dog. Sometimes I play $10 regs which are on the leaderboard and they are ridiculously easy to beat. They're too tight, they tilt like a mother when I win a big pot and they're 2-1 in chips, they don't adjust. Yet these guys are running at 15% ROI over 1k games while I'm breakeven. It just doesn't add up.

And the reason I'm jumping around in games is because I just keep hitting buyins where the games rarely run. I still play MTT SNGs sometimes and do pretty damn well in them, but the problem is the cap on maximum $$ you can win is hit pretty fast because higher limits just don't run. I don't feel like playing $6 90 man HU KOs mixed in with maybe like 3 tables of $13 and 1 table $26 with a 4k BR. It just wasn't going anywhere. At FR cash I figured out soon enough at NL100 that it was nothing but a bunch of regs coolering each other and trying to play a hand with the rare fish that happened to sit at the table (and which subsequently got stacked pretty rapidly leaving nothing but 9 8/7 regs to duke it out).

And the best about HU SNGs is that I don't need to grind for 4-5 hour sessions due to multitabling (opening and closing 16 MTT SNGs or cash tables every time you need to take a crap is seriously -EV), and as I always have to take a dump at the worst possible moments I decided these games are not for me to begin with.

Blazing_Saddler wrote:

For all the rough times I have had, and I have had a few, I can honestly say, I have never once complained about it being variance. (You are welcome to try and find post if you wish) Concentrate on what YOU can do.  We all have exactly the same cards, we will all run in to AA with our KK exactly the same amount. It's what you do with those cards that matters.


If you haven't complained about variance then you haven't met variance sufficiently negative to make you complain about it. We don't get the exact same cards. We don't all run into AA with KK exactly the same amount. Our KK doesn't crack someone else's AA exactly the same amount. What you do with your cards doesn't matter when you can't win an all-in or can't hit a flop. I'm sure you cursed the day you lost 3 games because your AA got cracked a few times and then everything was happy days again as they continued to hold up a steady 80% of the time. But what when all-in EV is already -$400 and JJ gets cracked by 57o, KK gets beaten by 66, AJ gets beaten by 55, QQ gets beaten by 9T? Does that happen to everyone else? For some reason I doubt it happens to the 15% ROI regs that tiltshove 93s over my KK.

And kierkegaard, I didn't put my money in. I got a free $50 deposit. I grinded to $3.5k bankroll. I used $900 as BR for $10 and $20s at a few sites. I'm not losing money. I'm just spinning my wheels. The last 50 games have been +- 5 BI up and down. Everytime I get a 5 BI streak, I can be sure I won't catch a single hand the next 5 games.
kierkegaard1

no
golden

Kim Cardassian wrote:
It's funny how when you drop 20 BI you are automatically assumed to be tilting. I didn't tilt. In fact, I don't think I really tilt at all. Maybe some form of mini tilt which I might have been bothered by rarely when playing FR cash (I have to admit I made some pretty shitty stack offs when I started on those), but after I do a single stupid thing I quickly wake up. Like today I was 2000-1000 vs this tight fish and he 3bet me when I had TT. I was a little spontaneous and decided to shove it in which I think is marginal at best. And that's the biggest mistake I made in all these games. It's always some ridiculous situation like running KK into AA, getting rivered with a set (conviently when 1200 out of 1500 chips are already in the middle). I honestly wish I could see some spots where I'm like "Yea that's stupid, I was tilting there and I need to fix this". But I don't have donkey pooh to fix. I'm playing as best as I can against these absolute retards. Perhaps if I had to play better regs it would be obvious I have alot to learn, but I don't see how at this moment I can play your standard fish any better. Maybe better sizing on rivers with the nuts? Maybe bluffraising more when I don't catch a single hand? That's honestly all I can think of. The times I lost were often when I had the nuts, the guy has 600 chips left and theres a 640 pot and I decide to bet 320 as I estimate I can get alot more calls then and it's real easy to grind him down from the last 300. Of course this thought is incorrect as mr fish calls with 3rd pair and then manages to win every hand after that going from 300 to 600 from 600 to 1200 and then winning the game.

And I usually bluff a station a grand total of 3 times per match. Usually with a 25 chip bet. I lose 75 chips trying to find out of they're a station and adjust. Sometimes I only lose 25 chips as I actually managed to valuebet them with a bluff with J high because they call with 9 high. Massive leak?

And this whole story of "you are not as good as you think you are" is ridiculous, especially for the limits I'm playing. I'm not jumping in the $220s and expecting to crush them like I'm frigging red dog. Sometimes I play $10 regs which are on the leaderboard and they are ridiculously easy to beat. They're too tight, they tilt like a mother when I win a big pot and they're 2-1 in chips, they don't adjust. Yet these guys are running at 15% ROI over 1k games while I'm breakeven. It just doesn't add up.

And the reason I'm jumping around in games is because I just keep hitting buyins where the games rarely run. I still play MTT SNGs sometimes and do pretty damn well in them, but the problem is the cap on maximum $$ you can win is hit pretty fast because higher limits just don't run. I don't feel like playing $6 90 man HU KOs mixed in with maybe like 3 tables of $13 and 1 table $26 with a 4k BR. It just wasn't going anywhere. At FR cash I figured out soon enough at NL100 that it was nothing but a bunch of regs coolering each other and trying to play a hand with the rare fish that happened to sit at the table (and which subsequently got stacked pretty rapidly leaving nothing but 9 8/7 regs to duke it out).

And the best about HU SNGs is that I don't need to grind for 4-5 hour sessions due to multitabling (opening and closing 16 MTT SNGs or cash tables every time you need to take a crap is seriously -EV), and as I always have to take a dump at the worst possible moments I decided these games are not for me to begin with.

Blazing_Saddler wrote:

For all the rough times I have had, and I have had a few, I can honestly say, I have never once complained about it being variance. (You are welcome to try and find post if you wish) Concentrate on what YOU can do.  We all have exactly the same cards, we will all run in to AA with our KK exactly the same amount. It's what you do with those cards that matters.


If you haven't complained about variance then you haven't met variance sufficiently negative to make you complain about it. We don't get the exact same cards. We don't all run into AA with KK exactly the same amount. Our KK doesn't crack someone else's AA exactly the same amount. What you do with your cards doesn't matter when you can't win an all-in or can't hit a flop. I'm sure you cursed the day you lost 3 games because your AA got cracked a few times and then everything was happy days again as they continued to hold up a steady 80% of the time. But what when all-in EV is already -$400 and JJ gets cracked by 57o, KK gets beaten by 66, AJ gets beaten by 55, QQ gets beaten by 9T? Does that happen to everyone else? For some reason I doubt it happens to the 15% ROI regs that tiltshove 93s over my KK.

And kierkegaard, I didn't put my money in. I got a free $50 deposit. I grinded to $3.5k bankroll. I used $900 as BR for $10 and $20s at a few sites. I'm not losing money. I'm just spinning my wheels. The last 50 games have been +- 5 BI up and down. [b]Everytime I get a 5 BI streak, I can be sure I won't catch a single hand the next 5 games.


i understand that you want to vent, but saying the sites are rigged or players are just lucky is a joke. instead of writing this post you could have been reviewing mistakes and plugging leaks, not pondering about how some guy rive rd  you when you were 90%.
and 50 game b/e stretch is nothing, im on a 350 game stretch now.
hjbear

kierkegaard1 wrote:
why on earth would anybody put their hard earned money onto a website that they either believed they had a curse on, or was rigged?
that's the most stupid part of all of this


man, u crack me up
U Cook Socks

Kim Cardassian wrote:
It's funny how when you drop 20 BI you are automatically assumed to be tilting. I didn't tilt. In fact, I don't think I really tilt at all. Maybe some form of mini tilt which I might have been bothered by rarely when playing FR cash (I have to admit I made some pretty shitty stack offs when I started on those), but after I do a single stupid thing I quickly wake up. Like today I was 2000-1000 vs this tight fish and he 3bet me when I had TT. I was a little spontaneous and decided to shove it in which I think is marginal at best. And that's the biggest mistake I made in all these games. It's always some ridiculous situation like running KK into AA, getting rivered with a set (conviently when 1200 out of 1500 chips are already in the middle). I honestly wish I could see some spots where I'm like "Yea that's stupid, I was tilting there and I need to fix this". But I don't have donkey pooh to fix. I'm playing as best as I can against these absolute retards. Perhaps if I had to play better regs it would be obvious I have alot to learn, but I don't see how at this moment I can play your standard fish any better. Maybe better sizing on rivers with the nuts? Maybe bluffraising more when I don't catch a single hand? That's honestly all I can think of. The times I lost were often when I had the nuts, the guy has 600 chips left and theres a 640 pot and I decide to bet 320 as I estimate I can get alot more calls then and it's real easy to grind him down from the last 300. Of course this thought is incorrect as mr fish calls with 3rd pair and then manages to win every hand after that going from 300 to 600 from 600 to 1200 and then winning the game.

And I usually bluff a station a grand total of 3 times per match. Usually with a 25 chip bet. I lose 75 chips trying to find out of they're a station and adjust. Sometimes I only lose 25 chips as I actually managed to valuebet them with a bluff with J high because they call with 9 high. Massive leak?

And this whole story of "you are not as good as you think you are" is ridiculous, especially for the limits I'm playing. I'm not jumping in the $220s and expecting to crush them like I'm frigging red dog. Sometimes I play $10 regs which are on the leaderboard and they are ridiculously easy to beat. They're too tight, they tilt like a mother when I win a big pot and they're 2-1 in chips, they don't adjust. Yet these guys are running at 15% ROI over 1k games while I'm breakeven. It just doesn't add up.

And the reason I'm jumping around in games is because I just keep hitting buyins where the games rarely run. I still play MTT SNGs sometimes and do pretty damn well in them, but the problem is the cap on maximum $$ you can win is hit pretty fast because higher limits just don't run. I don't feel like playing $6 90 man HU KOs mixed in with maybe like 3 tables of $13 and 1 table $26 with a 4k BR. It just wasn't going anywhere. At FR cash I figured out soon enough at NL100 that it was nothing but a bunch of regs coolering each other and trying to play a hand with the rare fish that happened to sit at the table (and which subsequently got stacked pretty rapidly leaving nothing but 9 8/7 regs to duke it out).

And the best about HU SNGs is that I don't need to grind for 4-5 hour sessions due to multitabling (opening and closing 16 MTT SNGs or cash tables every time you need to take a crap is seriously -EV), and as I always have to take a dump at the worst possible moments I decided these games are not for me to begin with.

Blazing_Saddler wrote:

For all the rough times I have had, and I have had a few, I can honestly say, I have never once complained about it being variance. (You are welcome to try and find post if you wish) Concentrate on what YOU can do.  We all have exactly the same cards, we will all run in to AA with our KK exactly the same amount. It's what you do with those cards that matters.


If you haven't complained about variance then you haven't met variance sufficiently negative to make you complain about it. We don't get the exact same cards. We don't all run into AA with KK exactly the same amount. Our KK doesn't crack someone else's AA exactly the same amount. What you do with your cards doesn't matter when you can't win an all-in or can't hit a flop. I'm sure you cursed the day you lost 3 games because your AA got cracked a few times and then everything was happy days again as they continued to hold up a steady 80% of the time. But what when all-in EV is already -$400 and JJ gets cracked by 57o, KK gets beaten by 66, AJ gets beaten by 55, QQ gets beaten by 9T? Does that happen to everyone else? For some reason I doubt it happens to the 15% ROI regs that tiltshove 93s over my KK.

And kierkegaard, I didn't put my money in. I got a free $50 deposit. I grinded to $3.5k bankroll. I used $900 as BR for $10 and $20s at a few sites. I'm not losing money. I'm just spinning my wheels. The last 50 games have been +- 5 BI up and down. Everytime I get a 5 BI streak, I can be sure I won't catch a single hand the next 5 games.



Yeah you are right, there is a simple solution for you I think. Find a new hobby.
forced

lol... i went on over a 700 husng break even stretch.. I for awhile read every conspiracy thread on the net....

then i did s some studying, got some coaching, and improved my game... ( and i should prolly get more)

anyway... the more negative thoughts you think are happening with your poker game/software... the more likely your going to blame everything but your own game.
_red_dog

This has to be a dummy account for him to come in and troll with.  I'm going to take a stab and say aggsy the little kent.

If Kim, you are infact real, you need to reassess what you want to do.  There is an old saying:

"Don't get bitter, get better."

You blatantly refuse to accept advice and criticism from players who are proven, long term, winning players, that are infinitely better than you are.

So in closing.  Shut your damn mouth, you are not a winning player if you think the way you do.  Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about, because you do not know a tenth of what alot of people here do.  We have tried offering you advice, tried to help you improve your game.  But it just seems like you don't want to listen and are incapable of thinking that something you do is wrong, it is players like you that make me money, so for that I thank you.  Please continue to be an arrogant, retarded little c*nt and dump your monies into my lap.  KTHNXBAI.
aggsyb

haha I appreciate that you appreciate the potential level of effort I would go to for levelling + baiting but bonfirmed (bonfirmed custo never gets old borg) its not me

Quote:
If you haven't complained about variance then you haven't met variance sufficiently negative to make you complain about it. We don't get the exact same cards. We don't all run into AA with KK exactly the same amount. Our KK doesn't crack someone else's AA exactly the same amount. What you do with your cards doesn't matter when you can't win an all-in or can't hit a flop. I'm sure you cursed the day you lost 3 games because your AA got cracked a few times and then everything was happy days again as they continued to hold up a steady 80% of the time. But what when all-in EV is already -$400 and JJ gets cracked by 57o, KK gets beaten by 66, AJ gets beaten by 55, QQ gets beaten by 9T? Does that happen to everyone else? For some reason I doubt it happens to the 15% ROI regs that tiltshove 93s over my KK.


Actually yes we do, I myself have experienced vile variance (as has anyway who has played alot of games) I whine(d) about it enough to the point where if you cant accept it you need to quit, so I accepted it and grind on. What blazing told you is correct go on the variance calculator and just see how bad you can run but also see how good you can run over a massive amount of games stop fking moaning about it and just get on with it
kierkegaard1

Kim Cardassian wrote:

I honestly wish I could see some spots where I'm like "Yea that's stupid, I was tilting there and I need to fix this". But I don't have donkey pooh to fix. I'm playing as best as I can against these absolute retards. Perhaps if I had to play better regs it would be obvious I have alot to learn, but I don't see how at this moment I can play your standard fish any better.


And this whole story of "you are not as good as you think you are" is ridiculous,
.


it is hard to fail at poker. even if you lose and you realise you can improve, you haven't failed. imo you only fail when you think you've nothing more to learn.
If you think you have nothing to improve against fish you are deluded. there are many MANY people who beat fish for a higher roi than you and still know there's a tonne to improve.
Kim Cardassian

Red dog, I don't want to be an asshole here but you are really delusional.

How can I dump my moniez in your lap when I don't play your limits? Ya gotta help me move up from $10s first before Im able to do that bra.
_red_dog

Not going to help some1 who can't help themselves.

Yep I'm delusional.  20k games of online poker played and never had a downswing in my life.... except the 50k i lost between february and May.  No variance there....  There was some variance involved but i was making a lot of mistakes as a result of the runbad, i took a step back, looked at my game, worked hard, and made that back + more this month.

U dump money in my  lap by being a retard, giving money to winning players who move up and lose it to me, thats the food chain in online poker.  Think about it.
evprop

im pretty sure all the advice in which ever form its been given just shows how friendly and helpful this community is!!

If you got no replies then no one basically gives a F%%K about you, but a lot of effort comes from us all and a little humility and respect goes a long way!!

Tagpoker Tagpoker Tagpoker.. (join in if u can remember the words) Tagpoker tag........
hjbear

_red_dog wrote:
This has to be a dummy account for him to come in and troll with.  I'm going to take a stab and say aggsy the little kent.

If Kim, you are infact real, you need to reassess what you want to do.  There is an old saying:

"Don't get bitter, get better."

You blatantly refuse to accept advice and criticism from players who are proven, long term, winning players, that are infinitely better than you are.

So in closing.  Shut your damn mouth, you are not a winning player if you think the way you do.  Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about, because you do not know a tenth of what alot of people here do.  We have tried offering you advice, tried to help you improve your game.  But it just seems like you don't want to listen and are incapable of thinking that something you do is wrong, it is players like you that make me money, so for that I thank you.  Please continue to be an arrogant, retarded little c*nt and dump your monies into my lap.  KTHNXBAI.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETO3-MxMe2Q&feature=related
hjbear

hjbear wrote:
_red_dog wrote:
This has to be a dummy account for him to come in and troll with.  I'm going to take a stab and say aggsy the little kent.

If Kim, you are infact real, you need to reassess what you want to do.  There is an old saying:

"Don't get bitter, get better."

You blatantly refuse to accept advice and criticism from players who are proven, long term, winning players, that are infinitely better than you are.

So in closing.  Shut your damn mouth, you are not a winning player if you think the way you do.  Try to learn from people who know what they are talking about, because you do not know a tenth of what alot of people here do.  We have tried offering you advice, tried to help you improve your game.  But it just seems like you don't want to listen and are incapable of thinking that something you do is wrong, it is players like you that make me money, so for that I thank you.  Please continue to be an arrogant, retarded little c*nt and dump your monies into my lap.  KTHNXBAI.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETO3-MxMe2Q&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bMLrA_0O5I&feature=related

plz guys these links with these quotes just own if ur going to get 1 thing from this thread may aswell be a laugh!
_red_dog

she is hot, would oblige her with my peen.
Kim Cardassian

I think she would drive even the horniest man crazy before he could get a boner.

I can't watch that chick. The insanity starts building up in my mind within a few seconds.
BetMagicMoney

FWIW kim you can always improve, just keep focusing on playing every hand perfect!
       Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Brags - Beats & Variance
Page 1 of 1