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| dzikijohnny |
dzikijohnny's doing the ladder.Hey guys this is my bankroll thread. After seeing the "stairway" path I have decided to follow that. I actually have a lot of hu experience 2287 games!!! But I am only breakeven but for rackback. What I win in the $5 games I lose in the $10 when trying to move up. Done 635 games at $10 itm 49.4% so I got killed by rake. I have drained my account down ~$100 to $157.50, so it would exactly match the $5 level requirement. And I needed some cash.  Should be good for a while now so will go and do the ladder exactly until and I can finally move up to the $10s and stay there. Still need to be able to withdraw some money soon at least to be able to pay for the $100 training program.  If I can figure out how to post a screen shot of my HEM I will otherwise will just post the stats.
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| dzikijohnny |
First session...
$165.50 8games 1.6hrs +$8 19% roi $5.11/hr Got killed in one really bad beat... but way overplayed a hand in beginning of match in another. Had ace of spades on 3 spade flop and went allin. Need to learn to be more careful in that situation. And lost a flip AJus vs TT for 40bb. But had more good then bad luck |
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| dzikijohnny |
Pulled off a great cr bluff on a guy too. How do you post hands? | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
Only time for 4 more games today
Did well. Lost AK KJ he made 2 pair. But I turned a straight flush in another game. Final stats for all 12 games today in two sessions. 12 gms 27% roi +$17.00 2.2hrs $174.50 BR should get $9.25 in Rakeback tomorrow. |
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| bptrippin |
Great start man 
http://www.leggopoker.com/converter/ Paste your hand in top box, click convert, job done. when you want to post the hand here though, copy and paste the top set of text on there otherwise the suits don't show up on here. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Ok will try.
Actually played one more game against a maniac so my final stats for today (18th) are: 13 gms 31.9% roi +$21.75 2.3hrs $179.25 BR should get $9.25 in Rakeback tomorrow. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Only a 3 games session tonite. They were long games took me 1:15 but, won all three. One vs a maniac, one vs a tag that became a maniac and one calling station.
Got $9.35 in rakeback so current bankroll is $202.85. Will be only 3 because starting to not feel well. 16 gms 42.9% roi +$36.00 3.3hrs $202.85BR Any one out there??? |
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| forced |
looking great... | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
Now here is a way to slow play a monster and get a pay off. I think in this situation I would have called a shove. The nice thing is that there was a time, even a couple of weeks ago, that I would have shoved myself. Now I avoided going broke and ended up winning the match. And crazy thing later in the match almost the exact same thing happened but, I won.
Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] Hero (BB): 1,670 BTN: 1,330 Pre-Flop: (30) T  K dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop: (80) 5 J A (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks Turn: (80) A (2 Players)
Hero bets 20, BTN calls 20 River: (120) 9 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 120, Hero raises to 300, BTN raises to 480, Hero calls 180 Results: 1,080 Pot Hero mucked T K and LOST (-520 NET)
BTN showed J A and WON 1,080 (+550 NET)
Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] Hero (BB): 1,820 BTN: 1,180 Pre-Flop: (45) 7 T dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN calls 15, Hero checks Flop: (60) 3 6 J (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 30, Hero calls 30 Turn: (120) 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 30, Hero calls 30 River: (180) 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 180, Hero raises to 360, BTN raises to 540, Hero calls 180 Results: 1,260 Pot Hero showed 7 T and WON 1,260 (+660 NET)
BTN showed 6 7 and LOST (-615 NET)
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| BetMagicMoney |
Hand 1 is defiantly a jam when re 3bets to 480 as Ax calls alot and worst flushes call alot!
Hand 2 i think dephends alittle more on how villian had been playing but i like the raise and i think flatting here is better when he 3bets |
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| dzikijohnny |
One reason why I posted both of them is I think it is a good example about how you get a read on a player and they so often do the same thing. I will look over the game again and see what made me not shove and lose the first hand. In a vacuum it is one of those hands that you are way ahead or way behind. Also in this situation the min4bet is never a bluff but, you are right there are so many hands that he would be doing that with that I have beat so that a shove is +ev. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Villain was a calling station to 3b but he folded to cbets very high percentage. I played my aces here like I should I guess on a very dry board. But should have been an auto fold. Knew I was beat an still called.
Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 20/40 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] Hero (BB): 2,055 BTN: 945 Pre-Flop: (60) A A dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN calls 20, Hero raises to 160, BTN calls 120 Flop: (320) 9 5 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks Turn: (320) 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks River: (320) Q (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 320, Hero calls 320 Results: 960 Pot Hero mucked A A and LOST (-440 NET)
BTN showed J 7 and WON 960 (+500 NET)
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| two2go |
Checking the flop is bad and the turn is terrible IMO. Bet the flop. I actually don't think it's as dry as you say. Lots of straight draws, 8s, 9s, and pocket pairs he could call with. By checking you're just giving drawing hands free cards to beat you. You have to give them the wrong odds to call. Unless you have the board absolutely dominated or you're up against a complete maniac who you think will put in more chips on his own than he will call, you should be playing a hand like this fast. River is pretty much irrelevant because by that time you should have forced him out or have all his chips in the middle.
Watch Broker's videos and look for the spots he slowplays and his explanation for why. Best of luck with your bankroll build. 
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| dzikijohnny |
OOPS mis type..meant very very WET flop....
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| dzikijohnny |
In the AA the guy is a super calling station when I comes to bbb. For this flop texture (very very wet) if I cbet I would not call a reraise. He was never folding a double gutter. And my plan on the turn was that if a dry card fell then I was going to delay cbet. My only fish play was calling the river with only a bluff catcher. At the same time though the way I played I was inviting a bluff so it was a good plan. | ||||||
| two2go |
Why, you are ahead a massive percentage of the time here. If he does raise you it will be for his entire stack. Just get it all in the middle while you're ahead. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Most of the time you are right. But again flop is so so wet it had to hit him. I only had one pair no redraw. Don't see a way to get him to fold it he had any part of a draw.
I don't know what do you guys do in this situation? |
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| two2go |
If you really think the flop hit his drawing range then bet and bet big. Your goal is not necessarily to fold him out of the hand. You want to size your bet so that it is a mistake for him to call (pot odds) and try and make his draw. If he calls these there will be times he makes it and beats you (which sucks), but in the long run you will come out ahead. I don't really know what else to say, if you still disagree maybe post this is in the microstakes Husng strategy section and get more responses. |
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| bptrippin |
If he folded to c-bets a diecent amount then i'm c-betting here..if he calls then re-evaluate, but with that flop and turn we know we're behind when he's called??? |
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| dzikijohnny |
Think I might have been on big pair tilt. You know when you finally get AA or KK and you just know they are going to get cracked. I still think I should have folded on river. But that would have been wimpy.
Oh well stats for up to end of Sunday: 33 gms 32.8% roi +$56.75 (EV+$39.12) 7.0hrs $223.60BR ($196.62evBR) |
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| dzikijohnny |
O joy happiness variance caught up with me tonite in the after midnight games!!!! Down ~4 buyins in 23 games. All the fun things that can happen to you like getting your full house beat and loosing you nut flush to a full house and a guy even got a royal on me. I am not going to complain about my aces getting cracked since I cracked two pair of them myself. And when my kings lost I should have known better.
Two days ago my stats were: 16 gms 42.9% roi +$36.00 3.3hrs $202.85BR Now they are: 56 gms 12.2% roi +$36.00 10hrs $202.85BR Over all I actually found the quality of players to be extra bad late Sunday. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Do you guys ever think you aren't the fish in the game but, instead you are the carrot the site puts in front of the donkeys? | ||||||
| BetMagicMoney |
lol coz they all want to be as good as us? doubt it otherwise there woun't be people donating money to us 
12% is still very solid so don't stress, just keep grinding
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| dzikijohnny |
From late last night to this evening played 34 games and have 17 win and 17 loses. Don't you hate rake but love rakeback. | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
Played a few more today:
Played 41 games and 21 wins 20 loses for a -$5.25 day. One thing I learn was think not just about the games I got sucked out on but, also on the ones that I know I could have done better in. I am setting up a personal form to use to review every days/sessions games and do my own ev like calculations. I am going to be classifying the games I lost/because of suckout, bad plays etc. I want a better way of looking at the games as a whole than just straight ev that HEM gives me. Also I want to start keep track of how what kind of player types I am facing. Anyone do something like this? |
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| MrJayOMG |
I've got PT3 which allows me to make notes on each hand, as I've recently come back from a short break & I'm running pretty bad I go through each game looking at every hand. It's too easy to dismiss a loss because you got sucked out on when it went in pre AK vs A9 & the villain hit his 9, I ask how I allowed the villain to have the chip lead in the first place. Am I missing value on hands? Am I calling too light when i know I'm behind a huge percentage? Am folding hands in spots where pot odds justify a call? Am I incorrectly catagorising a villain & applying the wrong strategy. Long story short, yea I do but maybe in a slightly different way. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Well played 11 games today. Not happy with play made 4 stupid plays and got punished. Ended up with a win because of a little good variance some good play and playing some terrible players. Example a one handed match...
Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] Hero (BB): 1,500 BTN: 1,500 Pre-Flop: (30) Q J dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop: (80) Q 2 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 80, Hero raises to 170, BTN calls 90 Turn: (420) J (2 Players)
Hero bets 370, BTN raises to 1,290 and is All-In, Hero calls 920 and is All-In River: (3,000) J (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: 3,000 Pot Hero showed Q J and WON 3,000 (+1,520 NET)
BTN showed K Q and LOST (-1,490 NET)
Stats since I reset for the br challenge... 85 gms 14.3% roi +$63.75 16.1hrs $230.60BR |
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| dzikijohnny |
BTW...not loving my call of his shove. | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
Another gift::
Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] Hero (BB): 1,720 BTN: 1,280 Pre-Flop: (30) 3 9 dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN calls 10, Hero checks Flop: (40) 7 8 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks Turn: (40) A (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks River: (40) 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 40, Hero raises to 160, BTN raises to 280, Hero raises to 1,700 and is All-In, BTN calls 980 and is All-In Results: 2,560 Pot Hero showed 3 9 and WON 2,560 (+1,300 NET)
BTN mucked 2 4 and LOST (-1,270 NET)
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| dzikijohnny |
Ok Finally figured out how to post pics. (I hope)
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| golden |
hey is that a program you're using, or a website? | ||||||
| BetMagicMoney |
Program is called Holdem manager all so known as HEM nice graph keep it up (why is it in green??) BMM |
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| U Cook Socks |
You can edit the colours on Holdem Manager now.got mine as a darker grey. |
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| bridgegunner |
i shove the first hand as all aces call u but it is unfortunate that he had a full house to beat u a cooler for sure.
the second hand i shove that all day long when he 3 bets the river. u are ahead of any 6 and only lose to a beater flush or house. i like the spot to shove. just my opinion. your br is good u will crush it just stay patient and put in the games |
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| BetMagicMoney |
really, nice (off to play with the pretty colors)
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| dzikijohnny |
One of the things I am working on not getting stacked when I don't have the nuts. At this level I am finding so many guys are so bad I can afford to spend a little time in the game and wait till I can stack them. I find that getting into stack shove is -ev. Because for no other reason that it really tilts me  getting myself stacked when I should have known better.
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| bridgegunner |
most of these guys will stack off with alot less then the nuts. i think if u wait till u have the nuts all the time u are missing value. i agree there is alot of spots that u can steal pots and take down a medium size pot in a given situation but i am still pushing with the nut flush in the first hand. yes i would have lost the match but out of 100 times i win that hand 75-80 times maybe more. u have to look at it in the long run and if its a +ev situation long term. yes in this particular hand with you showing the results it leads us to air on the side of caution.
whne posting the hands in the future dont post the results and you will get alot better feedback rather then results based feedback. when we see the outcome it curbs our advise to the hand. when you dont show the results it makes us look at his range,bet pattern,player type alot more and draw our own conclusions. hope that helps |
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| bridgegunner |
tilt is something we all struggle with but stacking off with the nut flush vs a well disguised full house is not the situation to tilt about. a 3 barrled bluff vs a calling station is something u should be tiliting about as its a losing play everytime u make it. | ||||||
| YATHINNK |
How do you change the colours on HEM? I only have 1.11.0 though | ||||||
| U Cook Socks |
I think it is available on that version. Options, skin designer. Play around with it. If not download the latest version from the Holdem Manager forum, but I am pretty sure it was added before that version anyway. |
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| YATHINNK |
Damn, not on mine, thanks though Mark, I suppose I should have got a legit copy. | ||||||
| U Cook Socks |
I wouldn't worry to much mate, it's not exactly that exciting. Half the colours available shouldn't be even legal they are that awful. Some of the colours require extreme tweaking of the font colours for every section, or you can't read it all. All in all it's not so great. I just made mine a slightly darker gray, but I can't say that is has changed my life
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| dzikijohnny |
Another case of AA preflop oop vs a loose called in bb and a super wet equity board. I think folding is right. The only think I can beat is a bluff. Frankly checkfolding the turn might have been the better line if there was a real bet instead of just 40.. I could have done a preventative bet with the intention of folding on the river.
Full Tilt, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com"]LeggoPoker.com[/URL] - [URL="http://www.leggopoker.com/converter"]Hand History Converter[/URL] BTN: 1,250 Hero (BB): 1,750 Pre-Flop: (30) A A dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN calls 10, Hero raises to 70, BTN calls 50 Flop: (140) 7 K T (2 Players)
Hero bets 90, BTN calls 90 Turn: (320) 9 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 40, Hero calls 40 River: (400) 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 400, Hero folds Results: 400 Pot BTN showed and WON 400 (+210 NET) 
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| U Cook Socks |
Seems to me, you are scared of your own shadow at the moment. I know how it feels, when things are going bad, you always think you are beat. Pre flop is fine, you want him to call obv. 70 is just about perfect, unless you have a read he calls bigger bets, then make it bigger. Flop, bet bigger, 110-125. You haven't give any information about how he plays, but if he is a station, then get value from it. That just needs a big bet. Check folding that turn is horrible, even to think it, you may as well wave a white flag and surrender to poker. Your bet achieves nothing, you need to bet bigger. It's hard to evaluate the river as you played it, cos you look scared, it's not a great card by any means, but it didn't complete the flush. Without any knowledge of what his bets mean, and how he reacts to your plays it's hard to say, it probably is a fold, but as I said, he could be doing it with a busted FD, or anything really, cos you look like you want to fold. I'm not being harsh on you, I'm just pointing out that I think you are playing scared, there aren't always monsters under the bed. It's great you can fold AA, some players can't , they really can't ever, but you have to get value from them while you are in front too. *Edit* You didn't bet the turn, you check called, that is even worse, bet! Bet over half pot at least. Then evaluate the river, if you get raised on the turn, then you have another decision to make, but when you bet, you are betting for value. |
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| dzikijohnny |
Is it two late to change my name on this site to "IveHadMyAceWhipped2Often". I do think my line should have been to cbet flop turn and river but also still need to be willing to let it go on river push. With a 4 card straight on board aces there are a bluff catcher.
Been a wild ride today. 
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| dzikijohnny |
LOL because of todays rakeback my account ended in a 7 so I sat in on a 1c/2c game posted and then left so it would be 75c. Anyone else do anything like that? | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
Hey I have made about $100 and am nearing next step up to $10.50s. But I am wondering about maybe I should send it to brokestar for the course and just regrind it up? What do you guy's think. No rush to go higher. Don't mind an extra week or two at the $5s. | ||||||
| Brokerstar |
I think do what works for you. If you're comfortable beating the $5's and it seems easy enough then move up and see if the $10's are just as easy (they are). I do see from some of the lines that you're taking that there are some clear bet sizing issues that can be made more profitable (hint listen to what Blazing was saying) but just do what feels right for you when (if at all) you think you need it. The fact that you're making money already makes you better than the average poker player so you're off to a good start. Broker |
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| dzikijohnny |
I have reached my goal of getting enough to pay for the condensed course so that is what I am going to do. Because this is how I have done in the $10s.
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| dzikijohnny |
Say we are suppose to be winning more from the sb than bb right? If so I have some huge problems in my game.
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| dzikijohnny |
But these are my results from that period.
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| dzikijohnny |
Ok here is the result of my bankroll challenge that I started 11/18. I will be restarting it with a balance of $165.25 because I decided to invest $95 in the Condensed course at this time instead of moving up to the $10s. Think it is right decision and will only cost me a week or two on my bankroll challenge.
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| dzikijohnny |
Haven't been playing much. Been doing the Course and it has been taking up all my time. Wow can't believe how much info there is there. The only thing I remember being this good is Ed Miller's "Small Stakes Holdem" book. I got and extra $50 because of the screw up with withdraws so with one games played and won my balance is...$239.85 | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
 I am feeling unloved because no one post on my br post.
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| BetMagicMoney |
sending loves and higs GL sir keep crushing
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| dzikijohnny |
oflmao... 
Ever since I got the the videos in the condensed course I have been too busy studying to play much. Have been doing just a few to practice a couple of things I have learned and to see what I had to do more work on. If you haven't signed up for it JUST DO IT! I already have almost 3,000 HUFO already and can definitely say it has incredibly helped my understanding of them incredibly. I always wanted to learn how to play chess but, never really could get a start. Until I found Lev Alburt's Comprehensive Chess Course books. I compare the course at http://www.tagpoker.co.uk to be as good. Spend the $95. |
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| z1s6arn |
I'm having the same dilemma. Lots of theory and not enough playing. It amazes me how much work this is taking. Keep it up mate. It will be worth it.
Scratch |
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| forced |
i'll send you a hig too! | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
ty very much forced....but, I am now very very worried what a hig is
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| bptrippin |
just smile and take the hig
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| forced |
Im a little worried what a hig is too, but it's prolly better to give than to recieve...lol | ||||||
| z1s6arn |
SMILE :0 AND TAKE THE HIG!!! | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
This sucks...have been sick with flu for a week and haven't played anything.
I really need a hig. |
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| z1s6arn |
The bad news is your sick! The good news is you had the common sense not to play! I can see alot of people sitting in bed trying to build a bank roll with the flu and getting murdered!
[Flu + Bed + Time on hands] x [poker] = [Tilt] x [OOhh I'm just running bad] = [F*CKED] |
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| dzikijohnny |
Back to a more normal playing schedule. Did 20 games but, down a little. First three games were bad. I did a warm up session but, not enough of one. Will have to really work on pregame routine. | ||||||
| z1s6arn |
What are your ideas on warming up? | ||||||
| Wannawin |
pre game routine? sounds pretty serious. | ||||||
| YATHINNK |
Indeed. Does noone just sit down and play anymore? |
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| dzikijohnny |
For me the pregame right now is that I look over my very detailed outline I have made of the course and review strategies vs the player types. I even have this open to be able to review during a game. Mostly to remind myself not to bluff calling stations.  I have filtered HEM hands for ones I really played badly and review them in pop. I also am starting to write my own poker book based on a great 2+2 post. So I will go over a couple of chapters of it.
PSA/PoohBah: Your Poker Bible http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com...-poohbah-your-poker-bible-213100/ What do you guys do?...I am going to set this up as a new topic in the strategy forum. Reply there please Been on a below redline swing right now. But, I am getting stronger and stronger. I made a great read vs a guy who was donking into me a lot. I could tell by betsizing tells when he was weak and a I floated the flop and bet him off it on the turn.
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| dzikijohnny |
Takes real skill to put up these kind of numbers.
80 games 52.5% win and $0 |
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| butitwassooted |
People sit down nowadays? |
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| dzikijohnny |
Latest image of my hud.
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| dzikijohnny |
Been slow because of holidays and illness. Switching to Deep stack is interesting and has shown me some leaks that I am filling. Finding I am also playing two at a time. It is a lot easier than turbos but, I will still want to be learning so will mostly do 1 table.
Got some great luck last night. I had a $26 ticket that I got from winning a step 2 4man husng. Had it for a couple of months with no idea of what to do with it. Saw a satellite for the Sunday big event with only 22 players in it so registered. Was really soft got 4th for $50.40 and only got out when my AK was beat with KQ. Was going to use it for matrix but, now like these. Now think I will use my medals and fpp to buy step 2 tickets so I can get more of these. Played 2 others that I chopped with a guy for 14$. Now I will go for the win. |
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| Wannawin |
It's just so busy.... I was adding and arranging more and more stats to my HUD, then re worked the colour scheme, so I could attack any standout stats, and just started losing focus on the actual game completely. I have just scaled it back to 12, I am not intelligent enough for information overload |
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| dzikijohnny |
Actually I find mine really easy to use. I don't spend much time actually looking at it. What I find it really great for is to confirm my reads. What happen is I think "Boy, he really seems to like to donk" so I check out his donk stats. Or its really nice to help classify a player. | ||||||
| dzikijohnny |
Wow..played a really long session and down 8 buyins in 37 games. Going to go over every hand to check my play. Already know I shouldn't play so many in a session. Actual think I played good. Lots of coolers or rivers. I've got better at reviewing my games I don't just look at where I have lost but where I have not made as much as possible. Still need to work more on value betting oop. Anyone else find it harder to play a calling station than a maniac?
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