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| savrababa |
Difference of skill level from micros to mid/high stakesThis is for people that have some experience at the $50 level or higher.Say you 3 players that have 5%, 10% and 15% ROI at the $5 level respectively for a period of time that makes it an indicative number of their skill. In your opinion what is a guess ROI for each of them if you put them at the $50 level, excluding the fact that they might get attacked by the regs at the start. Let's assume that the regs leave them alone and they pretty much play against random opponents. |
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| U Cook Socks |
It's an impossible question to answer. I would say if you can beat the $5s for 15% over a sustained period, you will be able to beat the $50s, by how much though I don't actually know.
If you are only beating the $5s (reg speeds) for 5% you may struggle to beat the $50s at all. If you aren't playing regs, the players are pretty horrible , even at the $50s, so I guess it's all about how you adapt to different player types. |
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| savrababa |
The reason that I am asking this has nothing to do with me thinking of trying them now. I 'm just trying to get a feel of how much time it will take me to get there and how much more skill is required. Just to have a more realistic idea of my long term planing you know? |
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| nachtwacht |
Nobody will have real experience with that. Nobody can because it completely depends on wich opponents you play. Blazing mentions that he thinks that the 15% player might be able to play profitable. What I think he fails to mention is that he might be able to, but he will have to do very strickt table selection. Every reg at the $50 level is very likely to beat him. Therefore, he should not play regs at all but do a lot of bumhunting. and if bums is all you play, then the 5% guy might very well still be able to have a 5% ROI. After all, a bum is a bum, the $50 bum is just a richer version of the $5 bum. Ofcourse, at the $5 level, the player you are referring to might also play regs and end up with 15% ROI. So if he does bumhunting at the $50 level, he might very well do better than 15%. After all, the average player he is playing at the $5 level is better then the opponents he is selecting at the $50 level. So nobody can give you any other answer than... it depends. |
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| U Cook Socks |
If you have a decent graph on your way up to the $50s, the regs will leave you alone, just sit first, and you will play very few regs. The players will no doubt be better than the $5s, but a 15% winner at the $5s, may already be better than say a 5% winner at the $50s. It's really impossible to say for sure.
I think people (inlcuding myself) put far to much emphasis, on the buyin. I played a $1.50 game the other day, without even realising, and the guy was no better or worse than many of the $30 players I play. Alot of it is in the mind. |
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| nachtwacht |
thats not what I read in OP's posting. He talks about a $5 player deciding, maybe because he had a good month at his job or for whatever reason, to play the 50's. So no graph up the levels, in wich case I would agree with everything you said, just a jump from 5 to 50 |
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| U Cook Socks |
True, but he did say in his op, assume we don't play any regs. I understand where you are coming from though. I don't think it's actually worth worrying about when you are playing $5 games, just concentrate on your game, getting better, and gradually move up. |
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| _red_dog |
5% winner wont win at 50s.
10% would be a slight winner, maybe 2-4% 15% might be able to have am 6-8% ROI. |
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| _red_dog |
this is merely a guess tho. | ||||
| savrababa |
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| sausage |
Your question as phrased is fairly meaningless. You say assume that regs will leave them alone, but this clearly will not happen if you sit first so your results may be similar to those suggested by Reg Dog (but most likely will be significantly worse).
If you assume that you bumhunt then if you are able to do this successfully your results will not be much worse than those at the $5s as fish are fish are fish pretty much regardless of the level. It is largely pointless to worry about what will happen when you move up several levels just concentrate on playing your A game & beating the level you are at, then move up & rinse & repeat. |
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| The Angler |
Ease up sausage, he just wants a rough idea how much tougher the games are at those stakes. | ||||
| savrababa |
I know that there isn't to much point in my question but the reason I made the post was not thinking about what will happen if I actually did this. I tried to think of a hypothetical paradigm to try and get a feel for the level of skill that is required to be a winner if you play in those stakes compared to the skill you need at my stakes. Apparently I failed to get my intentions clear. Was aiming for an answer exactly like Reddogs not really expecting it to be very accurate or realistic just a quick feel of the difference in level. |
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| U Cook Socks |
It's almost impossible to bumhunt on Stars, especially the turbos, as soon as a table is free, it fills almost instantly. By sitting first you get something along the lines of this. In every 10 players 5 will be fish, 3 will be fish with half a brain, and 2 will be standard tag players that beat the games by a few %. The only problem I get with regs is both sitting at exactly the same time, which happens quite a lot, and is really unavoidable. Having said all that, I beat the $5s and $10s for 11% and I still can't truly say I can beat the $50s, so it is harder than you think. |
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| aggsyb |
The main problem you will come up against as you move up through the ranks are there are tons less fish like there are in the $2-10 level where they open shove with gutshots and the general spaz bla bla, alot of the fish you play are reg fish and although they are bad they are not horrendously bad in terms of just giving you the match.
The more you fine tune your game as you move up each level the easier it is to exploit people, same goes for regs. |
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| sausage |
I understood the point of your question. I'm just not really sure what you can do with the information when you get it. |
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| sausage |
wtf 
They are 47.33% tougher then, if that helps. |
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| savrababa |
hahaha
yeah I know what you are trying to say but still I think I 've got a better understanding of the skill I would need now than I did before making this thread. |
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| The Angler |
LOL !! |
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| _red_dog |
To say fish are fish is kinda retarded. I mean, if I see a guy who plays the $5's on the reg sitting in a $100 husng, I am snap sitting that fool because, for the level, he is a fish. I would treat him no different as if i saw a whale sitting there with a -40% ROI. Obv the approach I take to the match is different, but my general thoughts on them is going to be that they are a fish.
Don't encounter this often as I only sit against regs cause I'm just a sicko 
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| sausage |
Obviously some truth in what you say & its fair comment, but for people that sit second at levels from $5 to $50 I don't really see a massive difference at all. |
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| _red_dog |
if u ever want to get any sort of volume in, there is no way u should be sitting 2nd at $5s-$30s. Sitting first is a must. | ||||
| U Cook Socks |
To be honest, at the $5s you can sit second, just play anyone, they are prettty much all bad. I agree though, there is absolutely no need to do anything but sit first. |
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| sausage |
You misunderstand me I am talking about people who sit second v you at levels from $5 to $50. |