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| welshdentist |
Did I play this badly?Hand I played, that ended up with me winning a tournament later on but the opposition who folded preflop (not the villain) went nuts in the chat box saying it was a stupid call.For me my decision making was as follows. There was a lot of raise/fold/fold as play was cagey on the bubble. We were down the 3 but only top two are paid. PokerStars - $3.13+$0.37|75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com Hero (BB): 3,172.00 BTN: 2,512.00 SB: 3,316.00 SB posts SB 75.00, Hero posts BB 150.00 Pre Flop: (225.00) Hero has Jh Ah BTN raises to 300.00, fold, Hero calls 150.00 Flop: (675.00, 2 players) Kd 4c 9h Hero bets 450.00, BTN calls 450.00 Turn: (1575.00, 2 players) 8h Hero checks, BTN bets 900.00, Hero calls 900.00 River: (3375.00, 2 players) Th Hero bets 1,522.00 and is all-in, BTN calls 862.00 and is all-in On the button minraise, for me this was a call, would anyone have raised? I led into the pot with a 3/4 pot bet as a stone cold bluff on a dry rainbow flop. He was getting short stacked and I though this would drive out any underpairs or weak Ax hands when he called, he obviously had something to call so my thinking changed. I though it may have been a WA/WB situation and wasn't going to stack off lightly. When he called on the flop my range looking back for the preflop minraise and game flow would narrow to A8-AJs AQo-ATo 77-JJ AJ-QJs AT-JTs A9-T9s Poss A8s/A9s and K8s/K9s I dont think he would min raise AA KK or QQ at this stage On the turn I felt he would bet with any of the above and I tanked for a while thinking about what to do. I actually gut felt he had Kx or more likely two pair with the 3/4 pot bet on the turn. If he had shoved, I would have folded. If he had checked, I would like to think I would have checked back and held of on a stone cold bluff turning into a semibluff.....which to me seems spewy. Given late stage of tournament I actually hated the call but I figured I could fold/shove the river if I didn't improve and still have close to 2000 chips left. Obviously I thought my outs would be any heart, possibly an Ace or Jack. My plan for the river was check shove or fold if I didn't improve at all. I'm worried by being berated for the call. I admit my first bet was a stone cold bluff, but improved on the turn to drawing to the nuts. I knew I was behind but had many outs... Am about to pokerstove it....but given chips in was it move -ev to fold given preflop and flop bet? Given I would still have a decent stack and blinds were creeping up to shove time, can I justify this? According to my basic range I still had 39.8% Equity on the turn with my trusty retrospec-o-scope. Happy to be told by the forum if I was a luckbox chasing numpty..... I would not do this in a cash game, or at early stages with 6 players. We were down to three in a 6 max tourney and the situation affecting my thinking. Maybe the thought of chiplead going into HU and knocking out a player guaranteeing a money finish clouding my thinking or was I thinking clearly? He did in fact have 98d in the end so for the actualy situation only had 20.5% equity. Given that I still had a decent amount of chips after the call on the turn, was this a fold or was my call a bit meh but ok? The guy who had a go at me shoved with 66 and my 99 held up a few hands later HU which was nice to beat someone who had a go... Please tell me if I was an idiot here.... |
| sandman369 |
Didn't read the whole post sorry, but I would have just 3bet-shoved preflop.
Effective stacks are 16.7bb which is horrible for playing postflop. And you are out of position. Just shove preflop; even if he calls you are in good shape against a strong range, so overall shoving is a very +EV play. |
| welshdentist |
It was long post lol
Thanks, next time, shove.....simples |
| chesslw |
Yep. At these stacksizes on the bubble you really shouldn't be flatting at all oop, and should just jam/fold pre from what I remembered of STTs. |
| BetMagicMoney |
looking at stake size looks like a ship pre imo |
| welshdentist |
It's a strange one during your poker education, especially learning a small ball HUSNG style to have gone so carefully though the early stages and then get to that point with effective stack sizes where it becomes a range/variance push/fold scenario.
I think for me it's one of those things where I just need to learn the range/situation and accept the results knowing when I make a +ev decision Thanks for the input guys, shove it is. |