Deepstack action/thoughts...moved from borgs bankroll thread

dzikijohnny

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:47 am Post subject:
Need some serious advice. I switched to deep stack on ftp and am finally doing well (ok small sample but, good numbers) and have quickly moved from $5s to now $20s. Problem is the action seems to just be terrible above $20s and not very good at $20s. Do you think switching to PS and doing the regulars is the way I should go?

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:33 am Post subject:
dzikijohnny wrote:
Need some serious advice. I switched to deep stack on ftp and am finally doing well (ok small sample but, good numbers) and have quickly moved from $5s to now $20s. Problem is the action seems to just be terrible above $20s and not very good at $20s. Do you think switching to PS and doing the regulars is the way I should go?

If you want actions, play the turbos on Stars. The structure on the reg speeds on Stars is pretty good, as in a slow one, but the game dynamics are always going to be different to deepstack games.

Also, the reg speeds on Full Tilt, above the $10s are much softer than on Stars imo.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:47 am Post subject:
This is seriosuly not cool news about the deepstacks volume. I really enjoy the deepstacks and got the impression borgs win rate and massive success over that 700 games was down to deepstack play which reduces the variance.

Borg what is your oppinion on this?

I only need 10-15 games per day anyway, but if you cant get above 10 games of fishes then what about moving over to HU cash.

My hope was to be able to grind $50 deepstacks on a regular basis.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:16 am Post subject:
z1s6arn wrote:
This is seriosuly not cool news about the deepstacks volume. I really enjoy the deepstacks and got the impression borgs win rate and massive success over that 700 games was down to deepstack play which reduces the variance.

Borg what is your oppinion on this?

I only need 10-15 games per day anyway, but if you cant get above 10 games of fishes then what about moving over to HU cash.

My hope was to be able to grind $50 deepstacks on a regular basis.

If you play 6-8 hours a day, you might get 15 in if your lucky. Also depends what time of day you play. If you play day time UK time, it is much slower than after like 11pm uk time.

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Borgs massive winrate, is down to him being one of the best, if not the best player on this site.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject:
Yes deepstacks reduced the variance, but it still means you have to play good. Anything over 20/30s and expect the action to be really slow, only reason I sit them is so I can sit a reg+deep lobby at the same time, and I don't mind either format, especially up at the higher stake's the action is really slow, so i'm starting to sit a few of the poorer regs (and there is a few who shouldn't even be at the 50s trust me!) to get more game's in.
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I think it depends on what you're after really.

After about the $30 level, the action is so quiet. I remember being regged in a $50, $80 and $100 game at the same time and never got sat for two hours one day.

The beauty of HUSNG's is that you can play quick sessions if you like and to some degree it defeats the point of it if you have to sit for ages.

But then again if you just love low variance then the few games you do get in should be easy enough to beat.

Pros and Cons

YATHINNK

I was gonna say. I'm playing the 20 reg speeds and deeps atm and I've noticed that they fill up pretty quick. Action seems alright at the 30s too.

I mean, if push comes to shove you could always learn to multitable the 30 deeps and get the same sort of results as playing the 50s.

Like Dom said, pros and cons.

U Cook Socks

You gonna have a hard job multi tabling them, if you can't fill one table Very Happy

Seriously , the time you play makes a big difference. UK day time is awful. Gets a bit better if you are a bit of a night owl.

I started off playing DeepStacks, don't think I would ever go back to them now though to be honest.

dzikijohnny

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YATHINNK

I play usually between 12 and 9ish uk time. I know thats pretty varied but i dont have a schedule really. Its rare I play a decent session after 10/11 o clock UK time

YATHINNK

And as for multitabling them, its not too hard to get action in the 20s 30s, is what I mean. You could multitable those to make increase you're hourly to around the same amount as single tabling the 50s

U Cook Socks

DUKE71000

Regarding the $20/$30 Deep HU games there is plenty of action from Midnight to around 7ish (UK time) where it normally starts to fade. The standard of players is awful, virtually all are spewy fish or nits. I have a solid ROI of around 30% which could mean that if that level of ROI was obtained, then the required volume could be reduced. As I have started to move up in levels the lack of action at $50+ games has made me transfer to other speeds. Pokerstars reg speed HU are deeper as the blind levels are slower which compared to the Full Tilt reg speeds suits me better.

z1s6arn

THANKS DUKE!

U Cook Socks

The thing to think is this, how far do you want to go ? If you are happy playing $20s or $30s long term, then sure sit the Deep Stacks. The variance is less for sure (providing you are a winning player of course)

There are a few things you need to adapt to though, they have a different game dynamic completely to the reg speeds. So if you are planning on playing the $50s/ $100s and beyond in the future, it will take some readjusting, which is no problem, just be aware if and when you get there.

The reg speeds on Stars are more drawn out than the regs on Full Tilt. 10 min blinds instead of 6 on Full Tilt, but the blind increases are slightly different . You can get all the information, by opening a game in the lobby, and clicking tournament information. The reg speeds on Stars are longer, but will have a different dynamic to the deepstacks on full tilt completely.

Personally, I think it is best to find out which you want to do now, and try and master that one game, for now at least. Just a little advice,from someone who has played all of the above games.

Good Luck.

dzikijohnny

As a test I did move a little money over to PS and check them out. There are a lot of differences that took some getting use to. I had to buy a mod http://tiltbuster.com/index.php?action=store;sa=viewmore;id=388 that change the table view from side by side to up and down like full tilts because I didn't like the view and my hud wouldn't fit. I think PS is long term better fit for me since my goal is to be playing the $100+. I will miss the Deep stacks though. I was getting 20% roi and I could multitable them. Also going to miss rakeback.