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| two2go |
Calling rangeIt's the first hand of a reg speed (1500 starting stacks at 10/20 blinds) and you're facing an opponent with respectable winning stats. He minraise opens. You three bet to 200 and he shoves. What's your calling range here? I know it's an easy calc if you can put villain on a range, so taking a shot at villain's range is just as good an answer. |
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| ChrisB |
I'll really nit it up in a spot like this. Something like AKo, AKs, JJ, QQ, KK, AA
The reason is that if we happened to just pick up a hand the first hand, there is no reason to ship a lot of chips with crap when there is so much play left in the game. If he didnt happen to pick up a hand, but was simply monkeying about, then I'm sure a better spot earlier will arise soon enough that I can fold such a large portion of my range. But I'm not a huge favourite of variance either |
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| U Cook Socks |
I'd prob add 1010 And AQ, just because in general people stack off to lightly first hand. I think 3 betting to 200 is to big in the first place though, if he only min raised, and especially if you are folding to a shove. |
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| two2go |
I was thinking he 3x opened when I wrote 200. The three bet should be to 130ish. |
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| U Cook Socks |
Ah okay, sorry, I didn't know if it was a real situation, or just a hypothetical one. Well against an unknown first match, I probably call it off 1010+ AQ+ maybe even lighter. People stack to light first hand of the match in general. |
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| BetMagicMoney |
if villian min opens to 40 i tipically riase to 155 (it looks nice on stars) but you don't want to make it smaller than 150 else villian can flat and set mine with all pocket pairs!
if villian 3x the 3bet to 180 is more standerred, but i don't hate 200 fwiw. I stack off with AQ+ TT+ |
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| YATHINNK |
I include like 99 too. Possibly 88. Cause when you think about the fact the game can be over there and then I imagine it could have some form of effect on your hourly. | ||||
| Fsansana |
I'm with BMM and maybe we could add 99. What if villain don't shove and 4bet to something like 450...do you change you 5bet-jam range or you stick in with the same range (99/TT+ AQ). I normally feel this is much stronger but at the same time I feel is a bit polarized (I see some weird stuff sometimes). What do you think? |
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| U Cook Socks |
Meh, 140 is about perfect 3 bet size in the first round for a min bet. The statement about set mining is flawed really for a few reasons. They aren't going to be folding 77s + anytime soon anyway, so that leaves 6 hands in his range to do this with. Then he/she is unlikely to be thinking " I have the odds to set mine" which I don't think they do actually if you make it 140. (blinds 10/20) to a min raise. The only way they would is if they take your stack everytime you both hit the flop. Flatting low pocket pairs to a 3 bet , is -EV imo, unless you are extremely good post flop oop, which most players really aren't. |
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| golden |
I played a few games with a top reg at 30's a few weeks ago, ill see if i can find the games to post up. A lot of 3 bet's and 4 bet shoving dynamics that happened. Could be helpful for everyone to see. | ||||
| U Cook Socks |
It wasn't Lyonse by any chance was it ? Him or another guy who I cant remember the name off hand, but it only has a few letters in his handle |
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| golden |
Nope wasn't him by yea i know of him
it was lucaslucas7 |
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| dzikijohnny |
I think the stack off range here is to light vs the player you described. If he has "respectable winning stats" then I have to think his range is much tighter than a random. Here I am going to have a range AQs+ and JJ+. Even then JJ is going to be a crying call.
The advise about 3 bet sizing is really good. |