Archive for Tagpoker Forum A friendly place for winning poker players to share their strategy to making money playing poker.          Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Beginner Questions hjbear calcualting odds i know the standard way of working out outs but could we take it 1 step further?  for example  u have a flush draw on a board 9h jh qs means u have 9 cards to hit, but we take other things into consideration for example we are playing 9 handed so there is 18 cards been dealt  stats wise a quarter of them cards are of each suit but u have 2, so there is 2.5 hearts been dealt to other players, so now we only have 6.5 outs does this make sense to any1 else? aggsyb you always have to assume every card is still in the deck when calculating odds. hjbear but is doing it this way closer to true value? savrababa If you are going to subtract the average hearts dealt to other players hands then shouldn't you also subtract the average non-hearts dealt to other players hands? So in effect your odds will be 33,5/6,5 instead of 47/9 which is the same.. hjbear yea tht is true my bad N86xps Re: calcualting odds hjbear wrote: i know the standard way of working out outs but could we take it 1 step further?  for example  u have a flush draw on a board 9h jh qs means u have 9 cards to hit, but we take other things into consideration for example we are playing 9 handed so there is 18 cards been dealt  stats wise a quarter of them cards are of each suit but u have 2, so there is 2.5 hearts been dealt to other players, so now we only have 6.5 outs does this make sense to any1 else? This is flawed to think like that. The only thing, that you can do is, when you are HU and have a flush draw on the flop, then you may under some circumstances assume, that your opponent does not have that suit. So, it is 9 out of 45, and not 47. But, for this you must be really good at hand reading (I am not for example, but in theory it is possible:)). Anyway, it is not going to make much difference. Also, if there are 3 cards of the same suit on the board, then when someone folds, he does not have the suit (at the lower stakes, because if the guy is not a total fish he may very well fold some low or midium cards of that suit). savrababa Quote: Also, if there are 3 cards of the same suit on the board, then when someone folds, he does not have the suit (at the lower stakes, because if the guy is not a total fish he may very well fold some low or midium cards of that suit). yeah but he folded... N86xps savrababa wrote: Quote: Also, if there are 3 cards of the same suit on the board, then when someone folds, he does not have the suit (at the lower stakes, because if the guy is not a total fish he may very well fold some low or midium cards of that suit). yeah but he folded... Obv:). I meant, that in this case it is also like 9/45 instead of 9/47 savrababa N86xps wrote: savrababa wrote: Quote: Also, if there are 3 cards of the same suit on the board, then when someone folds, he does not have the suit (at the lower stakes, because if the guy is not a total fish he may very well fold some low or midium cards of that suit). yeah but he folded... Obv:). I meant, that in this case it is also like 9/45 instead of 9/47 I know what you meant My point is that your thoughts wander off when thinking about the math. In this case knowing this is completely useless so why even consider it? I am not trying to tip you off the math really, I enjoy the effort you put in analyzing the game just don't get too carried away with it because you spend too much time thinking about stuff that won't really help your game. N86xps savrababa wrote: N86xps wrote: savrababa wrote: Quote: Also, if there are 3 cards of the same suit on the board, then when someone folds, he does not have the suit (at the lower stakes, because if the guy is not a total fish he may very well fold some low or midium cards of that suit). yeah but he folded... Obv:). I meant, that in this case it is also like 9/45 instead of 9/47 I know what you meant My point is that your thoughts wander off when thinking about the math. In this case knowing this is completely useless so why even consider it? I am not trying to tip you off the math really, I enjoy the effort you put in analyzing the game just don't get too carried away with it because you spend too much time thinking about stuff that won't really help your game. Well. If I post about those things it does not really mean, that I think ONLY this way. In fact the opposite. I am just posting (mostly) the things that I understand. The rest I still have to learn. Here I was just answering the question about "improving" the odds calculations. This is the only way I know it can be done. While useless, it is there:). savrababa I definitely don't mean you think ONLY this way. To be honest I am a little carried away by the fact that I work full time and I have very limited time to study poker. My point was that you are wasting precious time improving a useless calculation when you could be using this time for something more important. Then again you could be having enough time to do this. N86xps savrababa wrote: I definitely don't mean you think ONLY this way. To be honest I am a little carried away by the fact that I work full time and I have very limited time to study poker. My point was that you are wasting precious time improving a useless calculation when you could be using this time for something more important. Then again you could be having enough time to do this. I see what you mean. You may be right. But I did not waste much time improving that calculation. It took me 2 min to answer that guy's question. And I am still sure, that anything, that you think about poker (if it is not some flawed thinking) is good for your general understading, and it educates your intuition anyway. But I do agree, that it is not worth spending much time on math while learning the besics and trying to beat low stakes games.        Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Beginner Questions Page 1 of 1