Archive for Tagpoker Forum A friendly place for winning poker players to share their strategy to making money playing poker.          Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Tagpoker Lounge MrJayOMG BIG NEWS: What's my/our move? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com...charged-illegal-gambling-1020606/ two2go I have no idea what this means, but here's the original news report http://www.reuters.com/article/20...%20com&WT.z_smid_dest=Twitter U Cook Socks Looks like the end to me. MrJayOMG ESPN reporting Stars are blocking US players from real money tables. two2go Yep, looks terrible. Hopefully we can find a way to get our funds out. I can still play atm, so I'm thinking about an epic run at the superturbos. ottocat01 sigh...can't register on PS... Brokerstar Smaller, under radar euro sites IMHO.   aggsyb Brokerstar wrote: Smaller, under radar euro sites IMHO.   wud be fine if u didnt have $10k locked up just before this happened. Why does god hate me? MrJayOMG I can't access FTP cashier. Hoping it gets resolved, could do with my $9 back. U Cook Socks aggsyb wrote: Brokerstar wrote: Smaller, under radar euro sites IMHO.   wud be fine if u didnt have $10k locked up just before this happened. Why does god hate me? No such thing as god, that's why. That's another matter altogether though! PokerStars is still allowing cashouts, whether you get the money or not is another matter. MrJayOMG Blazing_Saddler wrote: aggsyb wrote: Brokerstar wrote: Smaller, under radar euro sites IMHO.   wud be fine if u didnt have $10k locked up just before this happened. Why does god hate me? No such thing as god, that's why. That's another matter altogether though! PokerStars is still allowing cashouts, whether you get the money or not is another matter. Wanna trade? U Cook Socks Just see what happens. Everyone has always known there is risks with money online. Everyone has always know the future of online poker wasn't bright. If it dies, it dies. More important things in life to be honest. Hope I don't lose my money, but if I do, just kick the cat (next doors) and move on. golden wait i think the US government has only taken control of their actual websites; not their software, money, etc. Is everyone still cashing out otherwise? i'm kinda getting worried though, im tempted to cash everything out. Brokerstar Site works fine for me? MrJayOMG BCM11 & Brian Murphy have had 2 chqs bounce from last week that they cashed out (via twitter). I think they play on Stars. I can't even access cashier screen on full tilt & I'm in the UK. nachtwacht Brokerstar wrote: Site works fine for me? You are not an american. US players have a problem. It is fine for all others. I would think that this will become a problem for all casino's that accept US players by the way... golden im just scared that, ftp and stars will end up locking up all funds and bailing, slim chance but it could happen. I just withdrew my tilt money on ftp, and it processed fairly quickly, still haven't on stars yet. Not sure if i should yet. MrJayOMG nachtwacht wrote: Brokerstar wrote: Site works fine for me? You are not an american. US players have a problem. It is fine for all others. @ESPN wrote: According to @GamblingComp, all the indicted sites, around the world, will be down within 48 hours. #gg Fsansana Re: BIG NEWS: What's my/our move? MrJayOMG wrote: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com...charged-illegal-gambling-1020606/ Thank you for your post.  <3 Definitely chose the perfect day to change site and deposit all my roll at FT. Fortunately I could cash out again most part of it, just left like 6/7 buy-ins to play. But I think that this will only affect US players. Does anyone had some feedback from FT/Stars? golden MrJayOMG wrote: nachtwacht wrote: Brokerstar wrote: Site works fine for me? You are not an american. US players have a problem. It is fine for all others. @ESPN wrote: According to @GamblingComp, all the indicted sites, around the world, will be down within 48 hours. #gg Was just about to post, fuck it withdraw if you can. MrJayOMG withdrawing now is pretty pointless imo MrJayOMG PPA press release: http://theppa.org/press-releases/...-online-poker-companies-04152011/ cliffs: PPA are shocked, gambooling isnt illegal, awaiting details & will update. golden MrJayOMG wrote: withdrawing now is pretty pointless imo still possible in another countries though. Fsansana WTF?!?!?!? These guys are freaking amazing...and fast! New episode of the micros BetMagicMoney lol i go on holiday for a week and the world goes to shit ok so should i be withdrawing everything till this gets sorted??? Fwiw i can still get onto stars and get into the cahier and sit at real money tables Reseal BetMagicMoney wrote: lol i go on holiday for a week and the world goes to donkey pooh ok so should i be withdrawing everything till this gets sorted??? Fwiw i can still get onto stars and get into the cahier and sit at real money tables yeh I'd withdraw if I were you bud forced sounds kinda communist to me... BetMagicMoney just withdraw just waiting for it to come though to neteller golden is 2 +2 really slow for everyone, or is it just me forced BetMagicMoney wrote: just withdraw just waiting for it to come though to neteller they told me 48 hours through neteller.... sigh forced golden wrote: is 2 +2 really slow for everyone, or is it just me yeah super slow.... needs cliff notes golden think it crashed. Reseal PS have issued a statement. So apparently it shouldn't affect non US players :/ _red_dog Business as usual for non-US players.  Nothing to stress about, just all the really good US regs are now fucked!!! PERFECT.  More Euro tards to give me $$$$ sweeeet.  If anything this will just force the US gov. to regulate online poker faster.  So there is great light at the end of the tunnel.  If u r a US player and have money locked up, u have my sympathy and I hope it gets worked out for u as soon as possible. _red_dog Reseal, obv it DOES effect US players because it suspends them from playing real money games.  Re-read the statement IMO MrJayOMG Withdrawals are blocked right now so as far as that goes non-US can play but if DOJ/FBI take the companies out (& don't forget they have seized 75 bank accounts) they could swallow our rolls with it. So it potentially has an impact on non-US players BetMagicMoney golden wrote: is 2 +2 really slow for everyone, or is it just me yes forced wrote: BetMagicMoney wrote: just withdraw just waiting for it to come though to neteller they told me 48 hours through neteller.... sigh i got told 72 hours   BetMagicMoney confirmed non americans are safe on stars! so i've cancelled my cash out and my money was instantly back in my account - looks like im back to grinding! GL to all the americans out ther <3 n1ghtah what about FT is that the same anyone knows ? Reseal _red_dog wrote: Reseal, obv it DOES effect US players because it suspends them from playing real money games.  Re-read the statement IMO meant to say non US players. Always making posting mistakes at like 5am lol! kierkegaard1 ftp client works fine from uk, withdrawals work fine, plenty of games running. right now, everyone from EU needs to CDFO Brokerstar kierkegaard1 wrote: ftp client works fine from uk, withdrawals work fine, plenty of games running. right now, everyone from EU needs to CDFO I'm so not up on modern day street slang. What does CDFO mean?? D-503 Canadian Department of Fisheries & Oceans   chill the f*ck out, i guess kierkegaard1 chill da f*** out lol Brokerstar kierkegaard1 wrote: chill da f*** out lol Ahhh it seems so obvious now....   Suspira I thought it ment "Cash Da Fook Out" lol ottocat01 Started playing full time March 1. Had easily biggest 1-1/2 months ever. May or may not get money. What steps, paperwork, etc would I need to come play in the U.K. for 1-6 months? Yes, serious. ottocat01 Also, @ Red_Dog and others. Do you think the games will be insanely profitable while U.S. pros try to figure out what to do. MTT's specifically Red_Dog? peteoaten Quote: Started playing full time March 1. Had easily biggest 1-1/2 months ever. May or may not get money. What steps, paperwork, etc would I need to come play in the U.K. for 1-6 months? Yes, serious. Coming to play in the would be very easy, and its quite simple to get a 6 months visa. However, getting a UK bank account to use may be a little harder. My 2nd wife was American, she came over here on a 6 months visa before we married. You would need to get a National insurance number before you could open a bank account i think. However, there are Visa types that allow you to work while your here, and with that you would be able to get a National insurance number. Its no where near as hard to come here and work as it would be to go from here to the states. You should do a little research online. You  could start with the Home Office website for all the info you need Brokerstar Isn't the beauty of the UK the fact that it's the easiest country in the world to get into?? ottocat01 Dom, what sites would you recommend for MTT's. 12-20 tabling software capabilities, decent guarantees, etc.? Brokerstar ottocat01 wrote: Dom, what sites would you recommend for MTT's. 12-20 tabling software capabilities, decent guarantees, etc.? I'm not sure about MTT's in terms of lots running at the same time. UB, Bodog perhaps? ottocat01 doubt UB makes it. i'm referring to if living in the U.K. Brokerstar ottocat01 wrote: doubt UB makes it. i'm referring to if living in the U.K. I've never really played MTT's so it's hard to say mate ottocat01 They're good for MTT's. Good meaning profitable and the software allows for multi-tabling pretty well. I just don't know if they'll be operating after dust settles. My biggest goal is to find a site or two or 3 with decent MTT's that will be open to U.S. citizens overseas. Meh, good luck me. Thanks for the responses so far. VISA requirements to look light and looking into Home Office in a minute. ottocat01 http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/processingtimes This page makes it look like a decision can be made regarding VISA's in a very short time most often. It is saying 2 or 3 day processing time like 80+% of the time for final answer. That's awesome. ProblemOfficer Guys, seriously, be very careful about FTP, PS. Ofc, they will tell you it's ok, but if anything happens it will be stated as a matter of fact. My imho is to withdraw money and keep it, so to watch, how all the stuff around rooms goes on. Money laundering is rather serious conviction and 3 billion $ is a very bad bill to pay... Just my opinion, but in CIS we got all forums of poker players burning with texts to withdraw. When it is actually yet possible. I am very sorry for US players. My friends-affiliates got like 100k locked... this government... aw, shit... just no words for it p.s. I wonder if they will get to small rooms. That continue to accept US players.. forced im in vancouver canada, and i now cannot join ftp. it says there is new software to install, then says, please try again later. work for anyone else? ottocat01 Thoughts on Vancouver Forced? Been researching it a bit today. forced In what regards?... vancouver is awesome, but an expesive place to live Expensive homes, rent. I now live in the burbs. Born and raised in vancouer and i just can't afford to live there. It's a beautiful place. Tons of awesome ethnic resteraunts, night life's good, although married with children, I dont do that anymore. Lots of casino's have been built lately, and another big one going up downtown. There are 6 poker rooms that i frequent. You could literally go fishing, downhill skiing, hiking and go to a fancy resteraunt for dinner, all in the same day. Whistler is a 2.5 hour drive away. But there are 3 local mountains in vancouver. Traffic congestion sucks bad. I am 30 minutes from downtown vancouver, and 30 minutes from the U.S. border. 2.5 hours from seattle. In the summer the beach's are awesome. There are many lakes about as well. z1s6arn This is a perfect opportunity for all those who are not yet affected to get used to cashing out all their winnings at the end of the week and always starting each week with about 10 buy ins. I would feel SICK if I had 100k trapped on my account. two2go Wouldn't have made any difference in this case for most US players on full tilt. Some of us have been waiting for 2+ months for each withdraw plus some of them were denied even after the wait. Also, every withdraw cuts into your rakeback if I remember correctly. sausage forced wrote: im in vancouver canada, and i now cannot join ftp. it says there is new software to install, then says, please try again later. work for anyone else? Uninstall your FTP client and reinstall from here: http://www.fulltiltpoker.co.uk/ sausage In think its pretty naive of any non US player to believe your money is safe. The owners of these companies are facing very serious fraud charges in the US. The companies are unregulated and they have our cash. There is clearly a non zero risk that we will not be able to withdraw our money. It is impossible to say at this stage whether that risk is 5% or 95% and it varies depending upon the site with PS probably being the safest and Cereus being the riskiest. Personally I will not attempt a withdrawal until the situation is clearer as we may get caught up in the issues with their bank account and transfer providers. Once things are clearer I will reduce the amount of my roll I hold online to maybe 25 BIs or so. In the long term if the sites continue to operate normally for non US players I expect the games overall to become easier as the US player pool is biased towards serious players due to the inherent difficulties for US players to deposit. MrJayOMG sausage wrote: In think its pretty naive of any non US player to believe your money is safe. The owners of these companies are facing very serious fraud charges in the US. The companies are unregulated and they have our cash. There is clearly a non zero risk that we will not be able to withdraw our money. It is impossible to say at this stage whether that risk is 5% or 95% and it varies depending upon the site with PS probably being the safest and Cereus being the riskiest. Totally agree with this, it would appear that DOJ are trying to put these sites out of business to enable them to set up shop their way. Also, just wow at this dudes argument. So happy he got flamed: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=1148592712 peteoaten Considering US cant play for real money on PS at the moment, the numbers on the site dont seem to of  taken much of a hit, sunday night 292K peeps on there, not much different from normal. Unless all americans are on there with play money, which i doubt. Still umming and rrrrrring over weather to withdraw and pop over to chilli poker to work off a bonus until the storm is over........................ The Angler No need to withdraw, Stars and Tilt aren't going bankrupt and all their non American serves are fine. These are hundred billion dollar companies don't sweat it. Nishido There are still a good number of people online technically, but the number of tables is a lot lower than usual. I'm guessing there's just lots of people logging in all the time to check if it's still working but not actually able to play. MrJayOMG The Angler wrote: No need to withdraw, Stars and Tilt aren't going bankrupt and all their non American serves are fine. These are hundred billion dollar companies don't sweat it. Pretty bold statement to make given no one knows the full severity of what is going on. Not saying you are right or wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're making huge assumptions. The Angler True, I don't have thousands in my account anyway, so It's not such a big issue for me. We'll see how is plays out, at the moment it's not stopping me from using Stars. sausage MrJayOMG wrote: The Angler wrote: No need to withdraw, Stars and Tilt aren't going bankrupt and all their non American serves are fine. These are hundred billion dollar companies don't sweat it. Pretty bold statement to make given no one knows the full severity of what is going on. Not saying you are right or wrong, but I'm pretty sure you're making huge assumptions. Bold indeed cosidering that the DoJ has frozen bank accounts in France, Gemany, UK, Malta, Switzerland, Denmark, Ireland, Spain, Canada, Luxembourg amongst others. In a regulated environment players money would be held in separate client accounts but as these sites are not regulated the situation is very different. kierkegaard1 the fact that durrrr and galfond are freerolling 1m a piece in refunds if stars/ftp dont pay speaks volumes imo. what has happened has happened. right now everyone non-US needs to make a choice. to cash out and go safe, or to leave funds on there and grind as normal. it's a decision that nobody knows for sure the 'correct' thing to do. ive chosen to continue grinding and what will happen, will happen U Cook Socks kierkegaard1 wrote: the fact that durrrr and galfond are freerolling 1m a piece in refunds if stars/ftp dont pay speaks volumes imo. what has happened has happened. right now everyone non-US needs to make a choice. to cash out and go safe, or to leave funds on there and grind as normal. it's a decision that nobody knows for sure the 'correct' thing to do. ive chosen to continue grinding and what will happen, will happen t That's about the size of it. Know one really knows. If you cashout now, there is no guarantee that you will get your money either. Bank accounts being frozen etc etc. Messages from poker accounts saying your money is safe, mean little or nothing. What are they meant to say, " panic, withdraw now, and hope you get it" Of course not. I really feel for American players, we live in such a shitty world, Where all kinds of things happen. You can play online games about War, and killing, but a man or woman can't sit in the comfort of their own home and play a game of cards, with their own money. I am leaving my money in for now too , and just praying it turns out okay, but I'm not as convinced as some people on here. Let's hope it works out okay for everyone. Borg7 I'm certain that almost all of the FTP/PS money will be given to the players...I don't believe that this is the case with the UB/AP money however. I'd be shitting myself if I had a significant amount of money on one of those sites. Anyway, as some of you might know, I mainly played on FTP before Black Friday but now I've made a euro site my main site (still playing a little bit on FTP though). The traffic is sooo much better on the euro site and I suspect that it will become even better... Also, the fish/reg ratio is awesome =p Nishido Has party poker ever allowed US players to play real money games? I may stick to that then if they haven't as I'm guessing they'll be safe from all of this..? peteoaten Quote: I've made a euro site my main site (still playing a little bit on FTP though). The traffic is sooo much better on the euro site and I suspect that it will become even better... Also, the fish/reg ratio is awesome =p Could i ask what Euro site your playing on? Im looking for a decent one to stick my BR into. Regards peteoaten Quote: Has party poker ever allowed US players to play real money games? I may stick to that then if they haven't as I'm guessing they'll be safe from all of this..? Party Poker is fully safe. Nishido peteoaten wrote: Party Poker is fully safe. Coolio Chiptaker I don't fully understand the current situation here, but I have just made my normal Monday withdraw from stars to my Visa debit card and have received both the normal confirmation emails. Lets hope I see the cash as normal on Friday. PS: I do feel for all the American players. D-503 Found this on another site: Online-Pokertraffic: PokerStars           -25% Full Tilt Poker -48% Cereus Network -39% PartyPoker           +9% iPoker Network   +4% Ongame Network     0% 888poker           +5% PKR                   +21% Bodog Poker +26% Cake Poker +19% Doesn't look too good for FullTilt   peteoaten Well i withdrew most of my roll from PS - Just in case senerio really. Payment confirmed the next day. Traffic wise that has to be a big hit for FT. As for PS seems like its business as usual, still plenty of traffic online and games going off in the usual way. Infact to me it seems the games on PS are softer now, im acually managing to string sets of wins together. MrJayOMG My perspective on FTP is the traffic is definitly hit when I was on my grind (5am-7am) Whig is obv when the late night US players were on. I've checked outthe games at around 6pm-8pm & they seem a lot better. Suspira My money is cleared and back in my Bank Account from FT this morning YATHINNK I just spent $8 on a fcuking card mod. MrJayOMG YATHINNK wrote: I just spent $8 on a fcuking card mod. <---BBV that way.   peteoaten Quote: I just spent $8 on a fcuking card mod all the card mods from tiltbuster for PS are ballsed at the moment since the big update BetMagicMoney MrJayOMG wrote: YATHINNK wrote: I just spent $8 on a fcuking card mod. <---BBV that way.   ROFL YATHINNK My card mods still work alright, table mods are mashed though. MrJayOMG Does seem odd. I figured the update was just to stop US players sitting. U Cook Socks YATHINNK wrote: My card mods still work alright, table mods are mashed though. Just need to reinstall them, unless they have gone back to using a very old version of the client. rubenfox Well i have decide that i am going too play on pokerstars at the moment They have the most traffic at the moment and played a few games there. Won them all btw, for now thinking much bad players > less better players at full tilt with 27% rakeback. Find all the euro sites have minimum traffic or really tilting software. goodluck for the american players with all the crap going around now for them peteoaten Quote: Just need to reinstall them, unless they have gone back to using a very old version of the client. You have to reinstall card mods for PS every time the software updates. This time they changed one of the files the card mods use or something. According to Tiltbuster not all mods are affected and they are working on a fix So ends the news flash. As for tilting Euro sites. The joy of joiniing a new euro site is that you get to play in the Beginners HU SNG   Along with alot of people who have never seen a deck of cards before   U Cook Socks peteoaten wrote: Quote: Just need to reinstall them, unless they have gone back to using a very old version of the client. You have to reinstall card mods for PS every time the software updates. This time they changed one of the files the card mods use or something. According to Tiltbuster not all mods are affected and they are working on a fix So ends the news flash. As for tilting Euro sites. The joy of joiniing a new euro site is that you get to play in the Beginners HU SNG   Along with alot of people who have never seen a deck of cards before   Yeah, they usually find a fix for the newer more popular mods pretty sharpish, some of the older ones get left out though. kierkegaard1 "In addition, the agreements do not prohibit, and, in fact, expressly allow for, PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to provide for, and facilitate, players outside of the United States to engage in playing online poker for real money." BetMagicMoney kierkegaard1 wrote: "In addition, the agreements do not prohibit, and, in fact, expressly allow for, PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to provide for, and facilitate, players outside of the United States to engage in playing online poker for real money." whats that quoted from? i just got this on stars kierkegaard1 DOJ statement. best possible outcome so far The Angler Beat me to it BMM two2go Official DOJ release . How are they going to pay this out without committing fraud though? Is the government giving them a pass or facilitating the payouts? http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/p...okerdomainnameuseagreementspr.pdf sausage kierkegaard1 wrote: DOJ statement. best possible outcome so far Obviously very good news in general, but this is still somewhat worrying imo: "Full Tilt Poker™ is pleased to announce that it has reached an agreement with the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York to regain the use of its worldwide domain name, www.fulltiltpoker.com. "Although players in the United States will not be permitted to engage in real-money play, the agreement expressly allows for real-money play outside of the United States. "In addition, the agreement represents an important first step towards returning funds to U.S. players because it allows Full Tilt Poker to utilize its domain to facilitate the withdrawal of player funds. But, unfortunately, there remain significant practical and legal impediments to returning funds to players in the immediate future. As a result of the recent enforcement action, there exists no authorized U.S. payment channel through which to make refunds; Full Tilt Poker has no accounting of the millions of dollars of player funds that were seized by the government; and the government has not agreed to permit any of the seized player funds to be returned to the players. two2go From Full Tilt Statement Full Tilt Poker has no accounting of the millions of dollars of player funds that were seized by the government; and the government has not agreed to permit any of the seized player funds to be returned to the players. From DOJ Release No individual player accounts were ever frozen or restrained, and each implicated poker company has at all times been free to reimburse any player's deposited funds.        Tagpoker Forum Forum Index -> Tagpoker Lounge Page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2