Bankroll management question.

mateusz372 · Bankroll management question.

My plan is:
-playing 30-40 hours a week
-so far im on 3,5$ limit
-3 tables at once
-turbo speed on pokerstars (blinds 10/20,15/30,20/40... 3mins, 1500 stacks)
-my bankroll is 500$

I have quite a lot of experience in hu sng. I played more than 5000 tournaments. I was playing on FTP before at 30$, and 50$ reach to 3000$ bankroll from my starting 600$ deposit (+600$ bonus).
My question is: how many buyins do i need, to be sure not to lose more than 25% of my roll on a possible downswing. And what are typical swings for aggressive player in hu turbo?

BetMagicMoney

stick to a 30BI rule! soo move up when you have 30BI's for the next level and move down when you have 25BI's for that level!

mateusz372

Did you even read my post? That answer is piece of shit. 30 buyins for hu turbo is nothing. You can easly lose like 8 buyins in 2 hours. I dont feel very comfortable grinding my money back at lower stakes. I hoped that some players who play similar stakes at turbo speed would give me some serious advice.

BetMagicMoney

umm what?

im not trying to be rude but 30BI's is pretty standard for turbos as far as i know. If you really want to be safe just pick 100BI's or whatever makes you feel happy but remember your long term bankroll growth will be much much much slower if you do this!

Also its im possible to know how much you need to avoid losing more then 25% as eventually on the very each of probability you can run infanitly bad but if you want to do some maths go over to this link and play with the kelly calculator http://www.riskoriented.com/the-k...riterion-bankroll-calculator.html

Also in terms of swings you can easily be 600games BE and have a true 8% ROI in turboes, in terms of downswings you can easily hit 15BI downswings and more! if you want to have a look just go over to HUSNG.com and use there variance calculator.

i hope i helped this time :S

forced

at reg speeds at the 30's i went on a $600 downswing and at the $10's i went on a 750 game break even stretch...
at the turbo's im guessing variance is greater.

At that time in the $30's I remember wishing I stuck to the 25-30 buyin rule....

If you dont want to move down in stakes, that's your call/decision. I hated moving down as well... still dislike it... although im playing 6max now.

sigh...

Jakester1288

Why not cut the tables and focus on getting to higher stakes. With a $500 bankroll, you should be 1 tabling $15 turbos, not 3 tabling $3.50 turbos. Or 2 tabling $7 turbos, or perhaps 1 $15 and 1 $7, or something similar if you're a solid multi tabler.

As long as you can move up and down the limits, why mess around grinding $3.50s for ~$5 an hour when you have the skill and the roll to 2 table $7's for ~$6.50-$7 an hour, or 2 table a mix of $15s and $7s for ~$10-11 an hour (all assuming 8% roi, constant 2 tabling, except 3 tabling the $3's).

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kolonel

Thread doomswitch has been activated.

Watch this space........

forced

kierkegaard1

op is my new favourite poster ainec

kolonel

Does he realise this is not a 2+2 thread.....

This would have to be one of the most informative and helpful sites going around. I would suggest sir, that either your english had trouble deciphering what he was trying to imply, or you might want to get your response across in a manner of respect, especially to those that are actively trying to help out, and by no means, being ignorant to that fact.

In other words, dont bite the hand that feeds you.

blsmur

i guess your responce was a little harsh
i dont think 30 buyins is enough

but you need to work out what you think your worst downswing can be

and make that your limit to lose before moving down

eg with $500 you have 100 buyins at $5
but pokerstars doesnt have $5 only got $3.5 or or $7

so if you playing $3.5 the by 3 at a time

you might want at least $500 to work reasonably comfortably and if get to $1000 then move to $7
or as Jake said play less tables and play better for more

but dont insult the guys on here they dont like it

as for 30 buyins to 25 i think it might be fine for singles table play
not sure i like it for multi table play
but that is a personal thing

good luck with your game

blsmur

kierkegaard1

the amount of buy-ins is far more than you actually say. if you have 30BIs for 10s, $300, obv. but if you go on a 30BI downswing, you shouldnt be broke.
Because we have a set $ boundary that we move down at. maybe $150 for 5s, a fresh 30BIs for this level even though we just lost 15BIs, moving down at $60 for 2s (a further 18 BI's) and $30 for 1s, (further 15BIs)

so for a "30 BI" roll you actually have 78BI's before busto at the softest stakes.

having a roll big enough to never move down is a mistake.
trying to find an amount where you never lose a 'set % of your roll' is not only impossible to determine, but also irrelevent to the overall growth and progression of your roll and potential.

kierkegaard1

Also, If you want to be sure not to lose more than 25% of your roll then 75% of your bankroll isn't actually your bankroll, is it?

Brokerstar

Boom, one love!!!!!!

All the serious stuff has been answered in regards to bankroll management so not really anything to add I guess.

I personally am more than happy to move up and down in stakes so as long as I have a move down plan for when I DO run bad then my roll is pretty safe (as long as I'm playing well that is).

To the OP, this forum is a happy place man, we're all on the same side, trying to head in much the same direction. If you disagree with someone that is cool and to be fair, the point of a forum but this is a friendly place where people shouldn't fear asking questions or giving answers.

We're all at different levels. Some are complete beginners, egar to learn, some are more intermediate and then there are the higher stakes ballers (some of which have already replied to you).

As much as I love to see this place grow (I really do), the vibe is more important to me. There are plenty of poker forums out there with lot's of other people waiting and willing to dish out abuse ( 2+2 Forum)

So by all means feel free to jump back in with your questions and feedback but you'll likely get much more out of the forums with a more friendly attitude towards everyone.

Best of luck

Broker Very Happy