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| crapht |
avoiding maniacs - yes/no?i'm trying very hard to improve my game. i 4 tabled turbo $6's for a pretty low ROI 4/5% over 1750 games - was playing quite standard smallball and flipping a lot.at $11 i'm running into HUGE losing players. now back in the day i'd fistpump when a psycho who's down $5k over 2000 games sat me but i'm finding myself 3-1 against psychos due to variance and the way they play. last guy i played did standard enough stuff for 5 hands or so and then randomly 3bet shoved when i 2.5x raised 1010 on the button. he "lols" in the chat (which i have since disabled) as he hits runner runner straight. next game he's 1700 to 1300 v me after around 30-35 hands and then suddenly 3bet ships 109 v my A8. obv he hits. next game KQ v my a10 on the flop of a 10 high board - he has FD too tho so he's obviously 8:1 favorite because of my fucking luck. then yesterday i lost almost every game with dominating hands (AK v K7, A10, J10 etc).. mostly 65%+ favorite - all lunatics. i don't understand the mentality of someone who sits down and plays his best (which is pretty bad) for around 15-20 hands, then suddenly get's bored and starts reshipping every raise and just jamming in random spots or calling really really loosely. it tilts me in that it makes me somewhat fearful to get it in with Ax or 77- even when i know i'm mostly ahead and i've experienced the roughest variance of my career so far in these past 3/4 days. most people say "take a break" but it's fucking tough. anyhow the point of the thread is: do you seek out big losers/maniacs at your level or do you prefer to sit slight losers/regs? |
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| Polycarpus |
You have to learn not to look at the results, but at your decisions. If in all of above games (or in most of them), you got your chips in the middle with the best hand, than:
* Be happy * Keep playing these guys Also: read something about handling emotions / not tilting / etc. |
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| crapht |
good post - thanks man. any suggestions for something to read? |
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| JamEaze |
A few points from this post really interest me and got me thinking.
First off, you say you were 4 tabling the 6s and playing standard smallball. Where you adjusting your opponent or playing the same style on the basis of playing volume. Personally I have found 4 tabling makes my head hurt and I play kinda poor. Variance can indeed be a killer, and Iv been there multiple times where it seems you get it in as like a 70-30 favourite time and time again and get sucked out on, and sure its very disheartening. However, it seems like you are being overly fixated on results, and perhaps becoming attached to the money. There is a very simple way of looking at this. If we want a decent ROI, we need to winning around 60-65% of our matches. This represents solid results I believe, in anyone's books. On this basis, getting it in as a 65-70% favourite means we win the same amount of the time, so this is fundamentally correct. You state that you dont understand the mentality of these guys. Understanding why maniacs do things is difficult, its veyr difficult to work out, and as they are never likely to try and improve their game they are never gonna pop up on this or any other forum decryting it. We just need to try and work out WHEN they are doing. Did they lose a big pot then go on tilt? Did they miss a monster draw and get pissed off? Have you played like a nit and they get bored. Try going back over some hand histories and working out some of these factors. Finally, you say, do people seek out losers/maniacs or sit regs/slight losers. 1) never sit a reg, we want the fishiest players possible, be definition they are semi decent if they are a reg (though there shouldnt really be any at those stakes) 2) just sit first, and that way you play a broad spectrum of players. Sounds like you are bumhunting at the moment. Personally I just sit and whoever sits me sits me, I dont even check Sharkscope cos it will mean I pre-suppose something about the player. He could have been a nit all his poker life, then come home after work to find his wife in bed with the milkman and be playing a crazy monkey spew LAG game. The variance will sort itself out. make sure you dont have leaks in your game that are contributing towards the downswing |
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| crapht |
ok so i'm taking a break lol. 2 more buyins. guy turns a 2 outer and i admit i steamed another buyin in the other table i was playing. going to vanish for a day or more and read strategy/do other work and come back to it when i have a positive craving to play again.
right now i couldn't be more pissed/disillusioned with the game in general. i could fixate on it like a freak and c&p HHs from a ton of games but fuck it. from http://www.flopturnriver.com/Avoiding-Tilt.html
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| crapht |
tbh i was playing quite standard mostly, the minraise, 1/2 pot/turn/river with some adjustments for players mostly due to stereotype... so yeah it purely for volume. i got through 1750 $6's and topped FTP's low limit hu sng leaderboard but was unhappy with the roi. read your post twice man, it was v helpful. thanks very much. |
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| JamEaze |
Not surprised you had to read it twice judging by how many spelling mistakes I made!!
Seriously though, glad to help. Are you single tablng now then? |
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| hjbear |
the maniacs are were the money is at! | ||
| crapht |
yeah, this past 2 days, one table at a time. when i go back to playing i'll probably work towards 2 tabling... but there's such an overwhelming amount of information for HU sngs these days. i used to play quite a LAG style, but now i'm learning about a variety of approaches to take and lines and basically plugging up leaks and sizing my bets a lot better off reads. the reason i loved 4 tabling was that there was nothing worse than having a low stakes turbo game turn into a 100 hand ordeal at the end of which you lose a flip. i opted to spread out my investment and therefore lower my ROI but play 4x the amount of tables. i'd only do that at $6 really. but i'm starting to think turbo is a joke YET 4/5 players at $11 are maniacs/losers on FTP it's a tough one. |
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| dzikijohnny |
You might like the deep stacks at Full Tilt. I think they were great. The games can last a long time. I have had them go over 45 minutes. I have switched to Pokerstars because I like their regular speeds better than ftp's and there is more action above $20s. | ||
| Brokerstar |
Zen and the art of poker!! "If you seek vengeance, dig two graves" I like the last chapters the best. Rule 91: While being in a good mood doesn't guarantee success at poker, being in a bad mood almost always guarantees that something is going to go wrong. |
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| crapht |
thanks brokerstar - i'll pick it up.
took a nice long break. i get back and lose a 4~% and a 5~% shot in seperate games. it's never easy, brahs. |
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| blsmur |
to help with your emotions get a hold of Tommy Angelos "eightfold path to poker enlightenment" it will cure your tilt and amuse you at the same time you find out what real tilt is as for making the right decisions preflop going all in on a flip is not a good decision unless you are in the bottom 1/3rd of chips all in preflop is probably not a good move unless you have KK or AA but you already know that , if you in the bottom 3rd of chips get out your nash chart On the flop well you make a decision an go with it I recently had a series of really bad outcomes when the bad player does some stupid thing on the flop and you know your best, but he improves and busts you so just revue the hand and figure it out , did you make a mistake or him? if you not sure then post it in here I guess As a newbie to HUSNG playing I am certainly having some problems with reads and making sense of players and their crazy moves and today i blew my account on fulltilt trying to get it right but I guess that is poker and yes it screws with my brain PS i been playing turbos on tilt |