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| z1s6arn |
Adapt n Evolve_$500-$5000Chapter 3:Introduction: I'm just moving my BR thread over from the TT. Results so far: Own bankroll games:0-350 stakes $2-$10s Staked BR games:350-750 stakes$20s-$50s 
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Goals: I'm starting with a BR of +$300. [X]  Build BR to $500 at the $30s
[X] Move up to the $50s at $500 and use profit to build second BR for PS.fr
[X] Deposit on PS.fr from FT profits and build to 500 Euros
[X] Play 50s at both sites until confident
[ ] Weekly leakfinders
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| U Cook Socks |
I don't understand, I thought you were going on your own on PokerStars.fr , to play the $50s???
Why are you starting with a bankroll of $300 ? I'm sure there is some reasonable explanation for it 
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| z1s6arn |
I wanted to be able to reg both sites at the same time. To do that straight away at the 50s would need more than $1000 capital which I dont have.
I had a little spare money left over from the top team and wanted to start with 10 buy ins at the $30s. Although I've moved to the 50s I'm still not a proven winning player at that buy in level. So I shall build back from the 30s and shot take at the 50s fairly soon. |
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| U Cook Socks |
10 buy ins isn't much to be playing at the $30s with imo. Unless you have money in reserve. |
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| z1s6arn |
I now follow a 10 buy in BR management. It works for me. I only move up when I'm confidently beating the stakes I'm at.
If say I move up to the $80s, by the time I get there I will have a reserve in my home bank account anyway. Keeping 10 buy ins always keeps me on my toes. If I let my FT BR grow I get complacent when I'm winning and back off a little because I know I have a buffer. IF I have to reset every week then there is always a little pressure no matter what. I have played with 10 buy ins since I started the Top Team based on your very own recommendation. One of the best things I ever learned might I add. |
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| BetMagicMoney |
GL hope to see you at the nose bleeds in no time
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| z1s6arn |
Cheers BMM!
By the way what level is the nosebleeds? $300+??? |
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| YATHINNK |
Depends. More your own judgement than anything. Like when I was 15/16 and playing the 9mans I would have considered playing at $50 buy ins really high and back then I considered them nosebleeds stakes. 2 years later and I now think of 200s+ as nosebleeds.
Basically it's just a case of as you grow and grow and move up and up you'll start thinking of even higher stakes as being nosebleeds. I doubt i needed to explain that in such detail but thats how I see it haha. |
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| kierkegaard1 |
nosebleeds refers to sick stakes. husngs have no nosebleeds as you can only play up to 10k.
i still think of myself as a midstakes player and high stakes being 1k+ |
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| U Cook Socks |
mmm, a 20 buy in downswing at those stakes, would sure give me a nosebleed
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| BetMagicMoney |
lol  i concider 2K+ being nosebleeds and $100+ being high stakes, but i guess its more of a perspective thing and once i move up high i'll keep conciderring nosebleeds being higher and higher levels!
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| z1s6arn |
Thanks boys! | ||||
| YATHINNK |
Yeah it's just how you see the games basically, there's not a right or wrong answer as to what you consider nosebleeds. | ||||
| z1s6arn |
Yeah totally makes sense. Cheers mate.
z1 |
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| z1s6arn |
General stats:
I'm avoiding Sharkscope because it doesn't accurately log games. So from now on I'll use HEM to fill in the details. Manager doesn't have multi currency for sit n gos yet so I will post my graphs in buy ins instead and I want to keep a little suspsense for the monthly leaderboards!!!
Games played (1wk): 71 ROI: +18.2% (excl rb) Total Buy ins: +14 Graph: 
Overview: Solid week. Playing well. Learning how to adapt by just playing and thinking about it. Relying less on notes through rote memory but more on common sense trial and error. I try not to beat myself up when I apply the wrong strategy to a player type and end up losing. I find I adjust in the next game if they rematch and then take them for a further buy in on the further rematch. Sometimes you play so many different player types that sometimes you just get it wrong. For instance one match I played a tight bluffer and could check raise him everywhere to get the fold. Then the next player I tried it and he kept calling and I forgot that I had brought the last game play over with me and the more it didnt work the more I got frustrated and kept check raise bluffing harder. He resat me I adjusted realizing that I needed to back off alot and set traps and show weakness everywhere after showing strength. He literally spewed 3 buy ins into me. Great lesson learned not to be too hard on yourself. Goals for next week: [X] Play 50s at both sites and build my self confidence
[ ] Weekly leakfinders
p.s Congrats to golden on his latest upswing. It was nice to see you pull through a rough patch mate. 
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| BetMagicMoney |
nice to see your still crushing, at of intrest are you 1 or 2 tabling??? | ||||
| U Cook Socks |
Solid effort. NH Sir! | ||||
| z1s6arn |
Thanks boys!
@BMM: I have only ever one tabled. When I get to the $300s I may start mutli tabling at lower buy in levels. But since I'm learning so much just one tabling it would be too much for me to handle. |
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| z1s6arn |
End of week 10:
Graph Wk 9 -10: 
Overview: I was reading again another gem from Dom to a newer player about not playing when your off your game and not in the 'poker mood'. It was written just after I had donked off 3 buy ins after being ahead because I was tired and tilted. The best bit is I accepted a 6th rematch at 4am and this was a -20% losing player and he declined a rematch. I tell you, it was a hard one to take knowing that after playing for 8 months straight you still cant win against such a fish if your off your game. Great lesson (which I already knew but seemed to have forgotten) that I hope I dont need to repeat again. Or minimize at least. Meh... I'm seeing more and more repeating patterns. I'm beginning to understand how players think. Who to set traps with. Who to value bet into. Who to stay super patient with and wait for the killer move. Who to never ever bluff and just value bet huge. Who to donk lead and check turn to induce a river bluff or just check call everything to induce monster air bluffs. Who to call off my stack with middle pair on a semi coord board. Who to c bet one barrel then check down then c bet 3 barrels at the next opportunity or to 4 bet small on a dry board really rapidly. Who over values their hand or under values their hand and who values their hand well....? Sound familiar? I find one of the challenges is being able to constantly change gears to each new player without bringing in a previous player type strategy and change gears within that game if need be. Its all very fundamental stuff but it seems to be coming more smoothly with each game. One player that I'm trying to figure out is the one that folds when he needs to fold and raises when he needs to raise and you both never get anywhere. And calls my 3 bets light and then folds to my 3 bet monster. Fortunately this perfect player doesnt come too to often. Another one is making mistakes and winning like 4 betting A9o (I was tilted he did a great job to get me into that state) into AJ and calling a shove and hitting the 9. Deep down I know I fuked up...but do you know what...how many times has a fish gone all in with trash and sucked out on you.....like shoving 22 into kk and hitting the 2...I call it justice and bloody well made the most of it....I think the whole street heard me pissin myself.... Also playing a heavily losing player and not finding any leaks....Sometimes I scratch my head and wonder what the hell happened there.....he seemed solid..... 
Lastly when there is no subconscious game plan with one core thing to focus on I always lose (majority). I feel like I'm ambling without this feeling. When I have a lock on to one specific leak it becomes my number one priority and I always seem to pull off a win. Yep there are other cogs working in unison but I find I always have some core strategy that gives me the win. When I look back at when I lost and when I won and 9 times out of 10 its when my mind was really deeply focussed on one thing and woudln't let it go. Without that I cant win no matter how skilled or unskilled the player. Next q. How do I repeat this consistently? Anyway. Its been a good month. z1 Goals for next week: [ ] Sleep...no pokerz not even $10 SNG's! A good time to take a break because I cant keep this pace up without some time out.
p.s Big up to golden. I really needed his results to push off. I felt like a little kid again trying to earning more house points at primary school. Hahahahah. Damn I needed that mate! Thankyou. 
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| golden |
you put my thread to shame..teach me ? lol | ||||
| z1s6arn |
That's a ridiculous request!
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| golden |
yea forget it, im too lazy lolol | ||||
| savrababa |
I think I have your condition too!! 
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| bridgegunner |
z u are awesome u inspire to play harder | ||||
| z1s6arn |
Update:
Graph: That down swing is in 50 Euros....it hurts 
Overview: Its been a really challenging last three weeks. I was doing really well on my new diet or so I thought and suddenly I started binging on anything I could get my hands on that was sweet, ice cream, chocolate, biscuits, caffeine, take aways. The craziest thing was you dont really know your doing it until its way too late. Its like a virus that starts slowly undetected and then rapidly infects you. It put me in bed for three days with fatigue. I was disappointed with myself for this lack of self control. So I then spent the next week fasting to get myself clean and in the meantime researching why the hell that happened. It took me into the world of yo yo dieting and binging and really helped me to understand how so many people cant seem to change the dietary habits and always go back to their particular drug. It seems when your on it you cant live with it and you cant live without it. I did further reading for people of my particular body type and how it reacts to sugar as if it was an opioid (morphine or heroin) just not as severe obviously and how it has affected me literally all my life. Anyways I'm clean now and I have a plan in place and a routine and its under control and I'm prepared for any unexpected cravings and understand how and why these cravings come about and how to counter them thank God. I was also starting to develop a form of orthorexia on a mental level and food was becoming a bigger deal than it should be. That trap being nipped in the bud as we speak. So my brains learning how to function without its fix and that can leave you low at times and I dont know whats going to happen next but thats the interesting bit. The unpredictability of it all. On to poker. Well when I was in the middle of this I had 3 losing days at the $70s and you can imagine what that does to you psychologically. So I took two weeks off to get myself stable. Its amazing how we take such a simple thing as mental stability for granted. Thats all I would like to have right now..... I came back did a little reviewing and played some more $70s and had more losing days. I think I went into attention seeking suicide mode. One losing day I couldnt get off my chair for three hours because of the stress. I was literally a wreck. That must be a sample of what it feels like when the stock market crashes and people lose everything. Not nice. I read Brokers part two on not tilting and found a motivational video. I must have watched it 40 times to slowly come around. I'm thinking clearly now and intend to develop that good old stability as best I can. I need to over hall my notes and thought patterns again. I was being lazy and too eager. I got burned and its not a nice feeling and I cant blame anybody but myself. The other thing is I felt as though I had some negative variance and when your tilted its so hard to differentiate bad play and variance. When I look back at my HH's next week I hope to get the answer. I've started scanning Jareds new Tilt book. It looks promising. I would say I'm a mental fish and its costing big time. On another note I'm researching how to live on five hours sleep with energy throughout the day. Like when I used to as a kid be able to jump out of bed to play the good old megadrive at 0530. Where the hell has that kide gone. Now I skulk in bed for 9hrs plus sometimes up to 11. Apparently the highest achievers in the world live on 4-6hrs sleep. I want to dispel this myth for myself and prove to myself I can relearn how to live on much less sleep so I can get more out of this life. Bit of a ramble. Hope for next few weeks. I'm over hauling my notes on HU poker until monday next month like an examination. I'm just not satisified and I know when I'm know my stuff I can burn the house down but when I stop revewing its like it all gets forgotton and I go into auto pilot and if the necessary skills to win HU are not unconsciously competent then you can kiss good bye to that knowledge. So....back to the drawing board and back to the $30s on FT as thats the only place I have left feeling semi confident. I'm leaving PS.fr for now to rebuild my confidence because its shot to pieces. I will feel lucky just to be able to make a little profit every month. Funny how your perspective can change so quickly from when things were going well. The ego thinks its so smart and yet it can crumble into submission from a tiny pin prick..... I will never never give up....I will make HU SNG's profitable enough to live off very comfortably...thats a promise...
Take care all, Adapt p.s Big up to golden for pushing through and being a man about it. p.p.s Thankyou to Dom for that recent Tilt post |
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| Pltinum |
Best of luck!
I know I'm probably not going through the same thing and my losing days aren't as significant as yours. But I really feel with your story. Never ever doubt yourself! It's hard not to make everything personal. Sometimes you wish you got a little überrational andy bloch or chris ferguson in yourself. (and I bet you, even those guys once shed a tear!) I'm wandering of a little. Best of luck in poker and life! |
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| savrababa |
Glad to see you get over yet another obstacle. I know it looks way more painful from where you are looking at it, but from an unbiased observer there is no doubt that you will be back to the $70 soon.
If you happen to find anything solid about the sleeping thing I'd be very interested 
Of course you are. If not then 95% of the people here should quit right now. All the best. |
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| Wannawin |
Hey man - GL. get your self together and start crushing again, you have shown you can do it....
As for the post, set your goals and your focus, but seriously dont beat yourself up, just keep reminding yourself what you are doing and why. If you have a bad day, don't take it into the next day. Also the sectret to a stable mind, is a healthy lifestyle, with excerise, sensible diet , good friends around you AND GOOD SLEEP levels. yes some people sleep less than others, but if you could train yourself that easy then the army would have it sussed (it is know that soldiers do have a slightly lower sleep need - but they have had a disiplined training since 16) when you get kids you will realise you just dont get used to less sleep, and if you try to it will be detrimental to everything that you do. LOL I'm not a deep person, but my kids have been up 2 hours and i REALY want to get to bed, not work
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| U Cook Socks |
So true
They are so worth it though ! |
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| hjbear |
just remember. you are the champion!!!!! hate to hear you going through this z1s6arn, your my boy! now man the fuck up and start winning
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| z1s6arn |
=) | ||||
| bridgegunner |
zi
we should skype soon. look me up. my day job is lifiting people up when they are down and helping them get back on track and on a progression plan to win. i have a few pearls of wisdom that i know can help u. your attitude is right now time to shut up and play your game
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| z1s6arn |
''Most people will do what’s easiest and avoid hard work — and that’s precisely why you should do the opposite. The superficial opportunities of life will be attacked by hordes of people seeking what’s easy. The much tougher challenges will usually see a lot less competition and a lot more opportunity. Strong challenge is commonly connected with strong results. Sure you can get lucky every once in a while and find an easy path to success. But will you be able to maintain that success, or is it just a fluke? Will you be able to repeat it? Once other people learn how you did it, will you find yourself overloaded with competition?
When you discipline yourself to do what is hard, you gain access to a realm of results that are denied everyone else. The willingness to do what is difficult is like having a key to a special private treasure room. The nice thing about hard work is that it’s universal. It doesn’t matter what industry you’re in — hard work can be used to achieve positive long-term results regardless of the specifics.'' Steve Pavlina I liked this. Poker is a demanding and rewarding niche for 99% of those who attempt to climb its mountains.... z1 |
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| z1s6arn |
Notes:
So I spent months learning Brokers notes.... Its all together jumbled up in a big A4 note pad plus reams of sheets... Every time Im even thinkin about going to my notes seeing all the pages of writing and picking up that clumsy note book seems so univiting and I never end up looking over them unless of course I go on a losing streak which is the worsed reason to be needed to be get me to be motivated to improve my game.
So I have bought some large revision cards (rymans stationary UK) of four different colours to denote the 4 main player types and white to talk about general notes, particular hands, ideas ....etc Its nice to write up a particular concept and have it on one revision card at a time. I feels really light, free and accessible and more importantly more encouraging to review certain things Im unsure of before, during and post game play. With a book I keep adding layers of information with different pens, scribbling things out making mistakes and it just looks like toss. The revision cards are clear and concise and I know where they are and can select particular cards to have with me for easy access for concepts I'm currently working on to improve. I can also keep certain concepts that are similar next to each other on the cards but in my book they are really spread apart and you lose that logical step by step reinforcement of ideas the revision cards bring.... Im also able to add and edit notes to make the more direct and clear whilst taking out babble....if I learn something new I can just rewrite it and put it back without any disruption to ordering... Just a thought....because I know I'm not improving my game and I keep making mistakes because Im forgetting information that wasn't properly learned in the first place... |
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| bridgegunner |
well done i think we can all learn from your post | ||||
| z1s6arn |
Ermmmmm
I just told my family what I intend to do for a living! Be prepared youngsters, you can get seriously fooked! Need some loving! Tell me I'm gonna make it!  (Currently here!) to  to to to to  to
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| U Cook Socks |
Very few people are ever going to say, "nice choice of living" Or w/e. Do what you want to do, your family will understand (eventually) |
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| savrababa |
The more to to to to to to l it is now,
the more it will be when you make it mate.
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| bridgegunner |
if u want it bad enough they will support you
we all know will crush it |
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| Wannawin |
family react because they care about you, therefore be firm as they will stand by you, but give them the re assurance they need in return.
tell them how many proffesional poker players there are in the world, how it will be a job, how you will manage your finances etc, not that you are after a glamourous bling gambling lifestyle (that can come later )
tell them your backup plan for if things dont work out out etc, eg sell it to them and prove to them that you have researched and thought clearly about what you are doing and why, then let them come round to it.. GL |
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| BetMagicMoney |
<3 u man you'll be amazing
<3 BMM |
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| Jakester1288 |
IMO just do it, if they don't like it who gives a shit. | ||||
| kierkegaard1 |
ah, family man... having my parents' support was so important to me. i put a lot of work into breaking the news to them. showed them my bankroll, my BRM management, how the game works, how i dont see it as gambling. got them involved in railing me to explain thought processes as to why its a skill game, most importantly showed them my graph and how i cope with downswings. As each month went past they were more comfortable, my mum now understands a tonne about poker. i can describe stuff to her in poker lingo and she gets it, stands by me, understands BI's and not $$, when i asked what she thought about the hokie/primo camp, she just said "i dont know much about them, but if you think it's worth it then go for it" It's just real invaluable support having them to talk to, caring about your day/week/month. As an aside, when i thought that a bankroll of mine could be seized not so long ago, at first i was kinda bummed about it, then was like "w/e, ive started from nothing before and i can do it again. if my entire online bankroll gets seized just as im paying out £11k on rent and i can get through it and come out the other side, then what can stop me? money's just material, nobody can take my skill, so its no big deal" and my mum just said "ive no doubt you'll re-build it in no time" instead of massively freaking out like mum's do. Her mental game is improving just like mine and its great to be on the same side and have the support. Having IRL poker friends is cool too as they 'get' all the highs and lows more than anyone else who doesnt play poker for a living ever could. so yeah, put a lot of work into having them on your side. Breaking family ties/having family tension over a f card game is ridiculous. People find it hard to accept because of the 'gambling' culture and GA etc but with continued re-assurance and understanding your goals and how you treat it as a business, you'll hopefully gain their support once their confidence in you grows. |
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| BetMagicMoney |
epic post above, thanks kierk
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| U Cook Socks |
Quality post. Fwiw, I don't really need, or desire permition, or approval from my parents. Well My Dad has passed away, and my Mom has more things to worry about. Guess I am a bit older than the average player on here though. However having a supporting partner has been a god send. With my ex partner, I never really convinced her I could make money at poker, she thought it was gambling and that was that. Made it difficult to succeed. Now, I get nothing but support, she believes in me, more than I believe in myself. I guess it has helped that some of the money I have made has bought us things as a family, but even when I am on an awful run, she is always there to tell me to believe in myself, that I did it before, so I can do it again. Makes a world of difference to me. Your family are important, but so are your dreams. If Poker is what you really want to do, then don't let anyone stop you. If they really care for you, they will come round eventually. As Kierk quite rightly pointed out, they just care about you at the end of the day, they don't want you to go down a bad path in life. Just gradually try and make them understand. |
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| z1s6arn |
Thanks gents that was really helpful!
I'm sure there are others out there in a very similar situation. I've now got a really nice way to approach this and the storm seems to be clearing over if you just behave the same way you used to rather than being reclusive or vengeful Im just going to behave normally, keep on doing what Im doing and slowly desensitize my family and introduce them to something they only know about through hearsay. I'm a little fried emotionally, but I'll ounce back. No big deal right! Will update in a few weeks. Hope everyone runs good and thankyou again! z1
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| z1s6arn |
Bridgerunner Love this in a chat we had this evening. So simple yet so true. z1 |
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| z1s6arn |
Title: Getting better everyday....
Brian Fite |
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| bridgegunner |
z1 u crushing it bro kill it |