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Borg7

Account closed because of Sharkscope HUD

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Hello Borg7,

Automated systems recently discovered indicators of account misuse, which violates the Full Tilt Poker Site Terms and End User License Agreement.
We have determined that your account is in violation of our Prohibited Software Policy, explicitly the use of Sharkscope software.

This is a serious breach of the terms and conditions that you agreed to when registering your account and as a result, your account has been temporarily suspended.

Please refer to our policies on prohibited programs here:
"http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs"

In particular; "It is the sole responsibility of the individual player to adhere to Full Tilt Poker's rules and standards for acceptable conduct at all times." For additional details, please see our Site Terms. In particular (but not limited to) clauses 8 and 10.

To be clear, players on Full Tilt Poker are not permitted to use shared hand history databases or use any software that uses 'data-mined' hands. In short, players are not permitted to use the hand histories for hands that they have not personally participated in.

Your account will be reopened within 48 hours after responding to this email confirming:
i) You have read and understand the aforementioned Site Terms and EULA and that you agree to comply with them from this point forward.
ii) You will immediately cease using Sharkscope and any other software that breaches our prohibited programs policy.

Please note this is our first and final warning, regarding the use of prohibited software. Your account has been tabled for periodical review. Should any further breaches of our EULA be found, your account may be closed indefinitely and any associated funds may be forfeited.

Security & Game Integrity

Full Tilt Poker


Just posting this as a warning to y'all...
nachtwacht

Curios.... did you use sharkscope software or did you visit the sharkscope website while playing ?
The Little Fish

Is this the same for HEM and pokertracker huds?
nachtwacht

The Little Fish wrote:
Is this the same for HEM and pokertracker huds?


No.

I suggest you read the link:

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs
Borg7

nachtwacht wrote:
Curios.... did you use sharkscope software or did you visit the sharkscope website while playing ?


I did both.
BetMagicMoney

thanks for the warning, any problems with pokerstars???
U Cook Socks

Borg7 wrote:
nachtwacht wrote:
Curios.... did you use sharkscope software or did you visit the sharkscope website while playing ?


I did both.


Such a bad boy !  Very Happy
sausage

I really wonder if FT is really checking which sites you are visiting and software you are using whilst playing.

Pretty sure that Borg made more than one video using the SS HUD which could be the real issue?

The relevant point though is that SS is against the T&Cs and if you breach them you need to be prepared for the consequences.
nachtwacht

I would think it is impossible for stars to know wich sites you are visiting. It is however fairly easy for them to have their software check the currently running processes (wich is the SS HUD) but I never heard them actualy doing it.....

So it is strange that they come with it now... I can not imagine it was the first time Borg was using the software...

So indeed, it might very well have been the video's to wich someone might have pointed Pokerstars....
blsmur

I hear of this on another site
and it seems if you dont participate in the games then using data mined by someone other than yourself is against the rules

so the purchase of hand histories for instance would be against the rules

whether the hud it self is against  the rule i dont know

but most sites seem to approve anything that acts after the hand is finished not during the hands  

eg the program holygrailofpoker is legal because it act after the hand is finshed  

I dont think
HUDS in general are against the rule or we would have heard lots about it and HEM and PT3 would not get any sales
butitwassooted

sausage wrote:
I really wonder if FT is really checking which sites you are visiting and software you are using whilst playing.
Yes and Yes. Don't have any links, but this has been pretty well established for a long time.
How else are they able to detect botting software running, programs that are not allowed like S&G wizard and stuff. And how could they ban people for using the website PTR while playing?
nachtwacht

butitwassooted wrote:
sausage wrote:
I really wonder if FT is really checking which sites you are visiting and software you are using whilst playing.


Yes and Yes. Don't have any links, but this has been pretty well established for a long time.


As far as I know, the first, checking wich sites you are visiting, has not been established, let alone for a long time. I would be very intrested in any proof for it. Would make a very intresting "privacy invasion" case.

They say you are not allowed to do it, that has been for a long time allready indeed.
butitwassooted

Found this within 2 minutes:
Quote:
PSMichaelJ
PokerStars Game Security Specialist
quote:
PokerStars is not ignoring PokerTableRatings, and is dedicating significant effort across a whole series of different avenues on this issue.

We don't take any action against people who visit particular websites largely beacause members of this forum (and others) got very angry when posters became aware that we did this. So, we listened to our players and acted by disabling the function to check if people visited certain webservers, and are continuing to work to stop datamining in other ways.

We previously had the function in our software to detect players who visited prohibited web services, but we accept that such a function could have been interpreted as a breach of player privacy. Consequently, we've changed our approach to focus on stopping the collection of hand histories at its source, rather than a mere symptom.

It's not an easy or small challenge, but the only response to that is "Let's keep working on it." As a result of our efforts, every major tournament tracking site (including SharkScope) now offers an opt-out function to protect player privacy. There's still some way to go on datamining sites that sell hand histories, and we will continue working on it.

So yes, at least Stars did until last year or so, when it came to light in the forums, and only because there was a big uproar about it.
nachtwacht

Very intresting. As I expected, they "can not" do it because it extremely invades someones privacy. Did not know they allready tried it. I won't expect them to ever try again after what happened the first time Smile
superleeds90

So you won't get caught if you use Sharkscope HUD on Stars?
Borg7

superleeds90 wrote:
So you won't get caught if you use Sharkscope HUD on Stars?


They probably can catch you but they probably don't care.
superleeds90

Ok, thanks man. I saw you using it on one of your videos and wondered why you hadn't been banned. I always thought they were super strict about it.
butitwassooted

nachtwacht wrote:
Very intresting. As I expected, they "can not" do it because it extremely invades someones privacy. Did not know they allready tried it. I won't expect them to ever try again after what happened the first time Smile
Uhm they didn't try it, that had this feature in their software for years.
It may not have been widely known, but they never made it a secret I dont think.
+I'm sure they had every right to it, seeing as its in (or was) the T&C that everyone has to sign when opening an account.
nachtwacht

butitwassooted wrote:

+I'm sure they had every right to it, seeing as its in (or was) the T&C that everyone has to sign when opening an account.


I doubt that in their T&C you will find something like "We have the right to check wich websites you are visiting". Even if it is, that does not mean it is legal to do so.

But that will be a very long discussion wich is not realy usefull Smile
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