A tale of three hands two calls and one a fold...

dzikijohnny · A tale of three hands two calls and one a fold...

Playing a calling/bluffing station

First case is when I called with overpair on straight and flush board. On the river I actually said "WTF" I could not put him on a reasonable holding that would have played like this. Was early in the game would leave me with 75bb so I felt better about making call. Also it was and instashove. So did figure that in calculations. Using the thumbrule that bluff are faster than value bets. Including results because they affected rest of play.

Full Tilt, $10 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 2 Players
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Hero (BTN): 2,800
BB: 3,200

Pre-Flop: (30) K

K

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to 60, BB calls 40

Flop: (120) T

4

Q

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 90, BB calls 90

Turn: (300) J

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 230, BB calls 230

River: (760) 3

(2 Players)
BB bets 760, Hero calls 760

Results: 2,280 Pot
Hero showed K

K

and WON 2,280 (+1,150 NET)
BB showed 7

8

and LOST (-1,120 NET)

Second hand had the exact same betting pattern and this time was fine with fold after thinking it through. Just too many more combinations of hands that with the crap that he plays kills me by the river.

Full Tilt, $10 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 20/40 Blinds, 2 Players
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Hero (BTN): 4,445
BB: 1,555

Pre-Flop: (60) T

A

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to 80, BB calls 40

Flop: (160) A

5

6

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 100, BB calls 100

Turn: (360) 3

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 280, BB calls 280

River: (920) 7

(2 Players)
BB bets 1,095 and is All-In, Hero folds

Results: 920 Pot
BB showed and WON 920 (+500 NET)

Third hand I play awful. I am including it as an example for myself about not basing decisions too much on past plays. When this went down he had ramped up aggression. I discounted any aces in his range because he would have 3 bet them. And I thought he wouldn't have the flush because he was to trappy to check raise it then. He did have checkraise stats of over 22%. (PS..anyone checkraise with made flushes here?) And I had been bluffing enough that he was calling me down super light. So range of hands I put him on were club draws mostly and bs mostly. In light of that my shove was kind of ok. But I really think I was stupid doing it. But, I sucked out which is nice for a change.

Full Tilt, $10 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 40/80 Blinds, 2 Players
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Hero (BTN): 2,285
BB: 3,715

Pre-Flop: (120) K

T

dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to 160, BB calls 80

Flop: (320) A

4

K

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 160, BB raises to 800, Hero raises to 2,125 and is All-In, BB calls 1,325

Turn: (4,570) K

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (4,570) 3

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 4,570 Pot
Hero showed K

T

and WON 4,570 (+2,325 NET)
BB showed A

4

and LOST (-2,205 NET)

nachtwacht

To much information here to do some real commenting. Would take me to long so I will just take out 2 things....

Last hand: Sure, villain appears to be a crazy bluffer, but even then, he has invested so much that you have zero fold equity left so a fold would indeed have been the right move there.

Second hand: I don't see a lot of difference between that one and the KK hand. Sure, second hand when he has a 4 he has a straight, first hand though, he can easily have 2 pair or a set. So I would think (and I must admit, I have not thought about it a lot !) that it is either both a fold or both a call based on your reads.

I have no idea about your reads during these hands etc. but it appears that villain likes to bluff in the end. Therefore, use your position to make the pot the size you want it to be in the end. I think that the first 2 hands both could and should have played out smaller. That is ofcourse with the hindsight of knowing he bluffs in the end.... so for a minimum, the second hand should have played out smaller. A top pair / overpair kind of hand just does not warrant such a big pot.

FunkMastah

hey yo,

Please, leave the results off, so there will be more discussion about the hands.

1st hand I'd have called that bet too if it was instabet and cos this was deebstack.

2nd hand I'd make 2,5-3 x bb preflop, then on flop bet bigger 3/4 of pot. If he calls that, I would have to re-evaluate my hand over.

Turn as played I'm prob firing another bet ~320

River A2-A7 could be his holdings here, imo he plays the hand that way. Other two pairs are possible, but would he bet two pairs little over pot on that board?? 43(unlikely), 47s(tho I wouldn't see him just callin on that turn).I think folding on river is ok, there will come better spots to play a big pot. You've put in the pot only 460 and I think it's ok to fold if you don't know where u stand here.

3rd hand This is just spewy, what hand you think he is calling pre and check-raising flop. I think CR is quite often big hand in low stakes as you see here too. He flopped two pairs and got chips in good but was unlucky on turn. Good for you, but in the long run you will lose money playin like this. Check-fold is not wrong here.[/b]

dzikijohnny

Like I said, I left the results on this time because they affected the play in the following hands.

3rd hand is a spew.

1st hand I would have checked down if I could have. And it is the kind I am trying to get away from calling. The timing tell was a big part of why I called.

Anyone else finding that the insta big bet on river is bluffish?

rubenfox

[quote=Anyone else finding that the insta big bet on river is bluffish?[/quote]

my experience with the snap shove/megabet is that it is:
super weak or super strong
and less likely something in between