3 Bets ranges against opponents?

The Little Fish · 3 Bets ranges against opponents?

Hey guys, Was wondering what range of hands do you use to 3bet pre flop OOP against each type of opponent? Also would you always be firing out a C bet if you missed? This play always happens to me as seen below.

Guy was pretty TAG, aggressive on the button and tight OOP. Normally after i fire a c bet they call and when i check they always bet which means i fold the turn.

Poker Stars $6.67+$0.33 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1350097
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BTN/SB: t1540 77 BBs
Hero (BB): t1460 73 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with J

A

BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero raises to t180, BTN/SB calls t120

Flop: (t360) 3

7

Q

(2 players)
Hero bets t180, BTN/SB calls t180

Turn: (t720) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: (t720) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

I'm only interested in what ranges you would be 3 betting against a LAG, TAG etc and used this hand as an example. Sorry if this isn't the right place to post.

terence_lim87

Hi. im new here. just a humble piece of advice.

If the player is raising almost 100% of his button and is a TAG and not call your 3bet often,i think maybe you could polorize your 3betting range. For eg. you should balance your premium range: AK, AQ, JJ+, K10+, with the occasional thrash, eg K4o, Q5o, or suited.

Reason being, since hes a lag, there is most probably fold equity. If he shoves on you, you have no problem folding your thrash, and also no prob calling with your premium hands'.

Your flatting range could be medium strength cards that are able to flop monsters, such as suited connectors, or low pocket pairs. No point rasing them, as if he does indeed shoves, u will have to throw them away pre flop.

But if he constantly calls your 3bet often, say 60% to 70% of the time, you could start merging your 3betting range.

U Cook Socks

To be honest mate, playing $7 games, you aren't going to be playing any solid regs. You really just want to 3 bet for value, and forget 3 betting light.

The hand you posted is played perfectly fine imo.

terence_lim87

hi blazing.

since we are on the topic, i would like to ask against a random fish, what should we do when opponent is limping almost 100percent of the time, or min raising almost hundred percent of the time?

i usually just do not like calling with marginal hands like K7o, Q7o etc, as i would usually have to give up if i didnt hit hard on the flop since im oop.

but by 3betting, we are able to negate away this OOP disadvantage as the opponent might be thinking that we are being trappy if we check, and we might get a free card on the turn to improve. we also have pre flop fold equity in my opinion.

and i always tend to be uneasy raising opponents limp, as i do not know what to do when i do not hit the flop. Even with premium hands such as AK, AQ, when i raise them when my opponents limp, and when i dun hit, i usually fire a cbet and then will have to fold it when i do not improve on turn.

But my just checking or calling preflop to the opponent, i think we are giving them the upper hand right?

I think this is a leak of mine and i would appreciate any advice on it. Smile

thanks alot blazing Smile

U Cook Socks

Well, I'll try and answer the question. I just want to say, that I am still learning myself, and there are better players than me that will probably give you a better answer. However, I do have a fair bit of experience at the lower stakes, so I reckon I can help a little.

First thing to say is, I assume you are playing low stakes games ? Like $20 or lower right ?

If players are constantly limping, then this is actually good for you (imo) unless they are sick good post flop (Like BrokerStar) As it makes your life a lot easier. It allows you to pick up post flop reads for cheaper. Just make not of what they are doing. Are they betting when they have no showdown value, betting different bet sizes based on what they have different hand strengths. I'm not going to go in to to great a detail, but once you have this information, then it's up to you to exploit it. A quick example is this, if they are checking down hands with no showdown value, then there are plenty of turns you can stab and take the pot away on the right boards, and turn cards. Lots of other things you can do with different player types, just have a think about how to exploit different player tendancies.

As for raising limps. Personally I wouldn't go raising limps willy nilly. You will just get yourself in to a lot of sick spots out of position, v players who don't know how to fold. It is good to raise some limps though, to guage how they react, it can be invaluable later on in the game.

As a standard range for raising limps at the stakes you are playing. I would go with something like 77+ (88+, if you really want to nit it up) A10+ and if you are comfortable add say A8s+. KJ + is good too, K10 is actually good to raise, they are all going to flop strong top pair hands, and dominate some of their calling range.

The thing is, once you have an idea how they react to your raises, you can adjust accordingly. If they are always folding to you punishing their limps, then you can throw in some more junky hands, just to take the pot away, just don't do it to often obviously. If they always call, but fold to a cbet then it is going to be profitable to raise a wider range, you can start to add other hands that flop pretty well too. Just have a think about why you are raising.

Bear this in mind too, there is absolutely nothing wrong with raising a limp, then bet/folding the flop, or check/folding the turn once called. For example, you raise a limp with AQ (Standard) and the flop is 6 9 J. Ok so you cbet half pot, you are obviously folding if they raise, and if they call and the turn is a 7, then just check/fold it's no big deal. Always try and think about what their range is, and how they play their range too. It is also perfectly fine to check/fold on that flop (and other wet missed flops) v some players. It's up to you to work out how they are playing their range, and how best to play from then on, but it's a pretty big leak just to check pre flop with hands like AQ. Just don't beat yourself up when you have to give up on a pot, it's really no big deal. The problem is more when players think they have to continue when they have AQ high, and get in to all kinds of bother.

As for calling ranges out of position. Well the first thing to say is, you want to be 3 betting less and calling more when they min raise. You are getting a good price to see a flop, if you 3 bet, you are either going to have to make a big 3 bet to win a small pot, or they are going to get good odds to call with a lot of hands, so just stick to a value range imo.

There is actually nothing wrong with being really tight oop as a starting point, it will help your game to start calling a little wider, and trying to pick up some post flop reads, and not just check folding every time you miss etc, but as a starting point, being tight oop, is much better than calling wide and spewing. At the lower stakes, just playing lots of pots in position will be good enough to beat the games, position is just so important, I can't think of anything to do with poker that is more important.

I'm not going to give you a calling range ,have a think about it yourself. Choose hands that will flop good equity. J10s is a good example, but there are many more of course. Just fold out Junk even to a min raise.

Another thing worth mentioning is, when making a decison pre flop, always bear in mind the effective stack size, if you don't know what that means, I suggest you do a little bit of research, it wont take you long, but it will help you no end.

Hope that is of some help.

Blazing.

terence_lim87

Hi blazing.

Thanks alot for the very imformative post. Really appreciate it.

Don't mind if i ask another question. How about c betting? whats a nice percentage of cbet to have?

i play kind of an aggresive style. min raising almost 100 percent of my buttons and 3/4 c betting them also almost 100 percent, depending on board textures.

but when it comes to double barreling, i think im a complete nit,, only double barrling scare cards, and they dun really come often imo. thus, my double barrel to c bet percentage is very disproportionate. any advice on that? Smile

and what is a good size to double barrel? is my cbet size ok? i try to make it constant, so as not to be exploited by more observable players.

U Cook Socks

It's not really going to help you to much if I just keep answering questions. What you haven't mentioned once in your posts is the type of player you are playing. It makes each decision totally different. You need to have a think about what you are trying to acheive with each decision.

Double barelling isn't just about betting scare cards, you need to start thinking more in terms of what your opponents range is, and how likely they are to call on particular turn and river cards.

I also think you don't need to bet as big as 3/4 pot in most cases, on dry boards especially.

terence_lim87

ok. Thanks alot blazing for your time.

ChrisB

I think you have to barrel that turn card in the OP very often, just because some of the weaker draws will not call twice with the bare draw and you fold out all pps under Q.

3betting AJs vs a TAG is thin in the sense that I don't expect to be called by a whole lot worse so it makes a lot of sense in my book to just flat (but that may be a cash thing)

Think what hands his opening range contains:
J7-JK
A2-AK

(as examples)

by 3betting you fold out a huge part of that range that you have crushed (I assume - no reads on his 3bet call/fold i see) so I like a flat more.

If we're playing the standard €7 player I think raising is 100% standard, because they call with all sorts of crap. This guy might do as well, I just think he makes bigger mistakes when we flat pre.

U Cook Socks