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| Pltinum |
175$ - ??? Pltinum's bankroll challengeFinally started seriously.I'm playing on players only to get the free coaching from brokerstars! I'm happy if I'm break even, however, anything more than that would be a bonus! So to set myself a goal: after 600 games 200$ profit. (that would be around the time that I should be able to get the coaching) I'll give some updates after a reasonable volume and I'll post some hands somewhere this weekend. I noticed I play more seriously, now it's my own money  .. (but I feel like I'm a little bit nitty  )
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| Pltinum |
Had a nice day today. SUPERfish! I was a bit scared I wasn't good enough, but nobody can loose from those guys! even if you're card dead.
Guy ALWAYS folded, unless he had something. Even Pf. Folded about 70%! Just blindeating him away.. Played him 4 times, won 4 times. Some lunatics that go all in first hand with KJ.. I called few all-ins later with pocket 66's he had A6! yeah!! Played 14 games.. got my bankroll up to 205! Got an ROI 37 now! (I know it isnt going to last after a hotstreak of winning 6 games in a row) Gogo profit!
I'll post some hands tomorrow! |
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| peteoaten |
Good luck, long may the run good continue | ||
| Pltinum |
Uploaded with ImageShack.us My graph of past 2 days. Run good didn't continue, but I didn't tillt! fieuw! (although I got looser after losing) I did play 4 hours straight, maybe I should have taken a break.. (I had the waiting times?)[/img] |
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| peteoaten |
Thats Tilt 
It comes in many forms and slight change to your game, even though you still feel calm. Losing a few made you looser, therefore not playing your winning game - if you hadnt of lost a few you would play your normal game, tighter.........see
I take a break if i lose 3 in a row, watch a vid, take the dog out what ever, as i know i wont be playing my A game at that stage. Saves me lots of buyins:) |
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| Pltinum |
Trying to control the tillt! although it's difficult sometimes... But I'm getting better at it!
New graph after the weekend 
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| ChrisB |
[X] $1/game !!
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| Pltinum |
I'm running really hot! Almost at 300$ (286), if I reach it, I'll move to 11+0.5 reg... | ||
| Pltinum |
Small update, gone up to the 10$ games. Been breakeven after about 15 games.. 300$.. I am more than on schedule for hitting my goal. maybe ill make some new ones.
edit: when I go down to 250, I'm going back to the 6$ games |
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| Pltinum |
What a horrible horrible day... carddead+tillt+badbeats.. brr.. Down 70$..
have to grind back up.. can't get a graph because my free searches are up for today. |
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| Fsansana |
Don't want to post your graph without your permission, so if you need someone to ss your stats send me a pm.
GL
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| Pltinum |
Uploaded with ImageShack.us In the end I played some 2$ st to chill a bit.. Then played the 6$ again.. Time to go uphill again!
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| Pltinum |
Hmmm.. Already got my points for the condensed course, watched all videos, played again and kinda got me thinking little bit more rational. Now I'll try to incorporate everything that's on the slides. I still spew of chips way too often. (especially when I'm carddead and want to make a stand) looking good again.. |
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| Fistor |
looks rly nice...played some games on merge,too (11$) and ppl there are rly bad and the structure is REALLY nice imho.
if you´re carddead, just try to keep even stacks or just blind down a bit, because when blinds go up, you don´t need good hands to just shove preflop
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| Pltinum |
YEEEAAAAHHHH!! Back on track almost at 300 again.. getting some nice games.
I don't know when I should start aiming for the 10's again, I've been occasionally been trying them. Maybe hit 310 and try now and then just so I start feeling comfortable. |
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| YATHINNK |
Comfort is the main thing but at the same time if the games are soft, as I imagine the 10s are at your site, then 30 buyins should be adamant to have another pop. Providing you don't have a solid reasoning against doing so. | ||
| Fistor |
just go 4 it, as i said, the 10´s are really soft and the "slow" structure doesn´t require too many moves | ||
| Pltinum |
ok I'll give it another shot at 30 buyins! And yes! the games are really soft. I'll post a graph every 100 hands or so. | ||
| Pltinum |
goddammitt freakin' ggvhqdoghsqdogh
went to 310 tried the 10's again.. Back to 250.. sigh sigh sigh.. |
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| Pltinum |
down to 226.. vomit* lost 6 in a row... back to 6's again.. damn I quit for today. 
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| Pltinum |
Here is it than.. k start again! feel very comfy in the 6's.. won against a reg though.. 3 out of 5 times..  Than game against a maniac and lost  , first my aces wouldnt hold up against his 64 and after that it was all my fault ... well kinda.
after about 200 games I have an roi of 16 at 6$ turbo's, and after 60 games I have an roi of -22 at the 10$ reg. Doesn't make sense. would those lines straight down mean megatilts or something? |
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| z1s6arn |
Sometimes these lines straight down are usually an accumulation of bad variance and then tilting from it. I always find the two go hand in hand. I find beginners at any new discipline can easily loose focus and confidence very quickly from the most subtle of things. Then it roller coasters and can snow ball as you can see on your graph. The randomness of the cards makes this much more frustrating because almost anything can happen like getting your AA cracked by 64 which goes against everything that statistically makes sense and what you feel should happen. The game really teases your ability to predict future events. Don't underestimate the mental strain your putting your mind under learning how to multitask and execute a very new task. Its exhausting on the mind and on the body because the body reacts physically as well. Under a heightened state of stress your brain will be dumping stress hormones into the blood stream which eats into your energy and abiltiy to perform at your best. This process will happen again and again as you move to a harder buy in level. Then it becomes fun and easy and effortless. Then the cycle repeats. As you adapt to the new buy in level with time, experience and learning your ability to play more efficiently and effectively will slowly improve. Each level is a test. If you pass you'll be granted access to a higher level and with that comes more responsibility, need for time and dedication. Embrace all your failures and embrace all your mistakes. These concepts are your best friends because they are the teachers of life. Learn from them because success doesn't come without them. Well done on posting your down swing and asking for a little help. It shows you are not afraid. I respect that. Good luck z1 |
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| MrJayOMG |
Following on from what z1 has said regarding stress & tilt. You should view tilt as a positive thing. When you tilt, your rational part of your brain has shut off, meaning the actions you take are deeply ingrained. By recognising you are tilting you can look through the HHs & find the parts that you are weak at, which means you haven't fully learnt the concepts. For example, if you look through & find you are calling too light OOP then you know you still have work to do on this element of your game. | ||
| Nishido |
But surely tilt will alter your game fundamentally, e.g. making you call lighter than you usually would? |
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| MrJayOMG |
No. We tilt because we experience high emotion, be it from losing to a fish when we believe we should beat them 100% of the time. When these emotions are overactive we lose the ability to use higher brain functions which include thinking clearly, observing key facts about the game we are playing etc. The only thing we can rely on is what we have already learnt to the point that we no longer have to think about it. For example, even when tilted if we get shoved on at 50bb effective stacks & we're staring at AA we are going to snap-call. But players make the same calls with A3s against normally tight players when logic tells us we have to be far behind his range. This is because we are not thinking about it, we're just using what we already know. We wouldn't make the call when we are not tilted, because we can rationalise that our opponent hasn't made a move like this before, has been pretty tight throughout the match so far, so are probably behind.
Make sense? Sorry if TL;DR |
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| Nishido |
Yeah I get what you're saying, cheers. | ||
| Pltinum |
Thanks for the advice! Ill look at those HH's. But I think I'm embarassed about a few games ... Everytime I tillt I'm gonna watch a video about the player type I just lost from and watch my HH. Instead of playing another game.
edit: just ran like god. That always helps, back to 270$! |
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| z1s6arn |
I would never be able to go over a HH or vid when tilted. I just need to get the hell out of the room, listen to some music, go for a work, have some chocolate or a cuppa. Whatever I do I keep poker and my ego at quite a considerable distance until Ive calmed down and then I'm in a good mood. May take 30 mins may take 2hrs and may even need taking the rest of the day off, sleeping it off and coming back fresh the next day.
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| Pltinum |
Back at 300 again.. gonna grind the 6's a little longer, maybe occasionally play a 10$ game. if I'm at 350 Ill just go for it! than I got a little more to fall back on.
goal: want to try the 20's in july and be able to grind them. Still have to send some HH's to broker, but just want to try everything a little longer, so I get the most out of his advice. |
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| Pltinum |
Hand #30
Merge Network Rattlesnake Room - Turbo Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 2 players - BB: t1450.00 48.33 BBs Hero (BTN/SB): t1505.00 50.17 BBs Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with J  J
Hero raises to t90.00, BB calls t60 Flop: (t180) 4 5 J (2 players)
BB bets t1390 all in, Hero calls t1390 Though spot! Though spot! Guess what he had!
I think he got annoyed by the fact I was running like god 
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| Pltinum |
I'm at 350! Jeej!
Already started the 10's, they went really well this time. Hope I keep it up and don't get another snowballdowneffect. almost reaching my 200$ profit goal. |
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| z1s6arn |
p.s The 'snowball' effect can go in both directions. I find when I'm winning my confidence improves and I play better and therefore graph just keeps going up and up and up.
Keep up the gd work! z1 |
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| Pltinum |
Yes! 200$ profit goal achieved! 382$ atm!
I do notice the turbo's are alot fishier than regspeeds. (and they take forever sometimes, games of 45min.. brr..) So I'm playing 11,5$ turbo's instead of 10,5$ reg. Thx for all your replies z1s6arn, appreciate it! |
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| z1s6arn |
No worries my man.
Just keep going! A career can be made out of this! z1 |
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| evprop |
Keep hold of that nice feeling of hitting your goals!!
now its time to rinse and repeat for your next goal.. which is~??????? |
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| Pltinum |
Get a bankroll to play the 20's!!  that would be about 600-700$, so I would need an extra 250$ profit.
edit: study broker's video's. Watched them twice, but that's not enough. edit:edit: wow just played the sickest game ever. down to 100 chips and 12 allins, everytime the worst hand won. Both sides. |
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| Pltinum |
went to a high of 415$ down to 350 again.. Feels like a real rollercoaster! lets just hope it lifts me back up again. I played pretty stupid a few games. ah well! | ||
| Pltinum |
I hate tillt! down to 250$ I'm quiting for a week. Gonna get through my exams and start with a fresh mind. pfff.. | ||
| evprop |
know this... your doing the right thing!!!
take a break and forget you ever heard of poker then come back!! most of all............ DO NOT WORRY!! poker aint going nowhere, still be here when you comeback!! |
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| bridgegunner |
we ran into each other today on merge. i tried to talk to u but u didnt wanna. sorry u called top pair light to my over pair. we coulda split if u woulda talked to me | ||
| Pltinum |
wow srry! Didnt even notice! Yeah tilt.. Why dont I just quit! lol.. I wonna see my notes on you though!
edit: found the HH. Actually you called me! Called a little lite in a few spots in that game. especially pf and some flush draws I was seriously gambling on. Just went goddamit twice! once when my two pair got counterfeitet on the river, and once I dont know if you bluffed or not (dont think so) with the four to a straight, I just thought: really? Again?
I really need a fresh start. If you see me online again, get mad and say I have to study!
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| bridgegunner |
the 4 str8 i actually flopped it q - 10 i check raised the turn u folded. on the last hand u are right i called u but i knew the shove was over cards or some sort of draw top pair kinda thing. add me on skype if u want bridgegunner | ||
| Pltinum |
Great! I will! Let's sweat each other! next week or so. This week I'm too busy. Than I'll send some HH's to broker. Finally! Because I need them after hitting rock bottom. Ok my mind is cleared! few! Never play poker when you're stressed! I'm emberassed to show my sharkscopegraph. I'm back to where I started . I'm changing site, so fresh start?
edit: excuse my accent though, on my lazy days it sounds as if I have a hot potato in my mouth. |
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| Pltinum |
after going back to almost no profit, I've got 50$ profit atm. Send in my documents to withdraw and probably change sites. Interpoker seems decent? 30% rakeback. And I'm going to start with a fresh set of mind there.
After my rollercoaster down (a real one this time), I know now not to play when stressed (my exams ).
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| evprop |
Ok ur back to where you started.... And??????? I myself look at this in a positive way, I'm like yourself, have had a couple of decent runs but then end up back at sq.1
The way I see it is I'm not a losing fish, I'm not winning big but it's not like I've put in 2k volume of games, so stop putting urself down mate, it means you only need to look at making a few tweaks to your game and boom things will be different,,, it's not fresh mind you need, u just need to look at things in a different perspective.. Positive !! Jeez went on a bit more than intended but hope it helps!! |
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| bridgegunner |
well bro things go up and down. i played over 40k hands at 6 max and had nothing to show for it over a months worth of games. just think about how much u have learned. u are basically getting a poker education for free. u are so much better then 90% of the losing donks out there that u beat everyday. ev is right a few tweaks and u are at 10%+ roi. u can do it just put the hammer down,stop micro managin your results and get it done | ||
| Pltinum |
Thanks for the kind words! I'm up for some sweats or something thursday or friday, I'll get skype (don't have it yet!). After 100 games I'm going to send some HH's to broker.. Finally! And than my game is going to explode into some major crushing! Just have one more major exam, but I do have time to put in some games now.
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| Pltinum |
Playing at interpoker atm. I'm back on track! just played 60 games or something, players are worse than on merge. I'm up 50 euro. 200euro atm, that's about 290$. When I reach 320 euro, I'm moving up in stakes. | ||
| ChrisB |
a) Breaking even is huge (90+% of online poker players lose)
b) 30% rakeback is horribad, get yourself a proper deal set up c) Keep on grinding!
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| Pltinum |
seriously? 30% is bad? If you got any recommendations, I'm happy to switch.
Yep, just got flush vs flush (where I got the worst flush ) and stuff like that, so I quit for a few hours. Playing a mtt with the playerpoints I still got on players only.
If anybody is willing to sweat my anytime, be my guest!
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| Pltinum |
played about 150 games and I'm down to my initial deposit.
Going to change sites, slower structure and better rakeback and something that is trackable with sharkscope so I can be apart of the leaderboard again! Hope I update somewhere soon with some great news! |
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| Pltinum |
Just a quick update:
-Been 2-tabling, cause I felt like da-man. Actually helped me against tillt! surprised me! -I'm running about 10 games an hour! -I've got about 350$ atm. (roi of about 16@interpoker) So doin' mighty fine! Because I'm running so many games, I only need another 140 games till I furfill my rakeback at interpoker (€35 extra) (so that's 14hours=2days=3days realistically) and than I'm switching fast! Cause no decent HH really bothers me! Wanted to post some hands, but it's all just a mess to find anything. maybe I got to get my hands on HEM too..
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| ChrisB |
About the multitabling: There are definitely some non-apparent positive things like being less overly creative, tilting less and overcoming variance faster.
So nice to hear you adapted
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| Pltinum |
Little update:
rakeback deal finished at interpoker! I do still have to wait for the rakeback to come in though .. should be about €33.
Finishing at interpoker with $400 (€275) inc. rakeback. I'm going to go to eurobet, deposit $400 and get about 90% rakeback (deposit bonus + vip). Games have 10% rake, but with that amount of rakeback it's still more profitable than interpoker. (I do have to wait for rakeback to come in each month, I think?) Don't know how I will integrate it into my brm. I will be able to get back on the leaderboard + get some decent HH's (that really bothered me). |
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| Pltinum |
I couldnt withdraw, because they needed papers. I noticed im in a rakerace too. Competing for the 100 dollar slot. Bankroll is at 423 dollar + rakeback 80 + rakerace 100?.
I hope im going to end the month with 600$+! I can try the 20s in july! That would be awesome! |
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| Brokerstar |
Ahh best of luck with this my man and there does seem to be a pretty amazing VIP deal at Euro Bet that and is must be one of the softest sites in the world ha ha.. | ||
| doodiewiz |
Keep going dude! Looking good!! | ||
| Pltinum |
Tried the €10 (15$) on interpoker. Same people basically, but I lost 100$..Sucks!! JJ vs KJ pf, and the usual card dead + randomn play misstakes. At least I don't care as much as last time, variance happens right? And besides, I AM THE CHAMPION! Turbo's (tried the regs, but waiting times are so long  ) do make you're bankroll swing alot though, when you dont have a HUGE edge. I've been from 150 --> 110 --> 250 --> 180 --> 250 --> 200 --> 285 --> 220 (not inc. rakeback), well there seems to be a trend.. So if the trend continues, I'm going to have an upswing soon.
And hail to good rakeback! that's just a lifesaver! after raking €250, you get 200 back! making a slight winner into a decent winner. Doubling my normal profit (well I'm being optimistic about my upswing that's going to happen ).
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| hjbear |
wow that rakeback is sick what % is it? I AM THE CHAMPION------LOL | ||
| Pltinum |
the problem is that you don't know for sure...
But 30% is set. Deposit bonus releases €5 every 37,5 raked and then you got the rakerace. I'm assuming that if I get 250 (or 300) rake I'll be able to get 100 this month (seeing my competition). If you count it together (lets say I rake 300), you got well 90 rakeback + 40 deposit + 100 rakerace. So thats 230/300 equals 77% rakeback. (eurobet is even better, but they ask 10% rake) |
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| The Little Fish |
what site do you play on? |
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| Pltinum |
interpoker. But I'm switching just for the sake of having decent HH's!! You also can't see mucked hands.. | ||
| The Little Fish |
what site you moving too? I'm thinking off playing on a different site with rakeback. |
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| Pltinum |
Eurobet probably, dont know for sure.
Vip + first deposit, comes down to about 80% rakeback. Then you also got rakerace, so you're around 100% rakeback. Games have 10% rake though, and you don't get the first deposit bonus, unless you rake 160% of your initial deposit amount. So I'm going to put in alot of volume next month! edit: question for broker. Does redstar also have a rakerace? That seems interesting as well.. (Saw they had a rakerace in june, but it's the first time they did it, and the amount is HUGE with so little competitors) |
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| Pltinum |
Quick little update:
There seems to be a debate with the currency, they're reporting my Monthly gross rake in $ instead of €. Mailed them and they're sorting it out. It makes a HUGE difference. Like an increase of 50% (well I had actually always counted on it being €, but mailed to make sure) So is the rakerace in dollars or euro? If they're reporting my rake wrong, I'm alot higher on the leaderboard. Will see how the plot unfolds. As for my bankroll. It's sitting nicely at €275 (390$ ex. rakeback + rakerace) again. Let's go up into the sky now! and rename this bankroll thread: The crushinator: how to make 4001$ in 3154 games. How can it fail with a name like that
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| bridgegunner |
u are awesome i love your br thread. lets sweat again soon. seems after we sweat u run well
all hail the crushinator |
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| Pltinum |
I haven't been playing much lately. my rakeback has been deposited to my account, just didnt qualify for 100 euro's bt got 50 in the rakerace.
I'm standing at 475 USD. Not enough for the 20's, but I'm satisfied. I'll update if I changed sites and have some time to play. |
