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| StasKo |
"why are you betting" questionhi everybody!ive seen the "why are you betting" video and i understand most of it. i have some experience in poker and i know the concepts of betting either for value or as a bluff but i always pondered about one specific situation: you are playing against a tight opponent. you limp he checks and you flop bottom pair (lets say deuces) on a dry board. you bet half pot - why?? you wont get worse hand to call so its not a value bet and most of the time you wont get better hands to fold so its not a bluff. now if we didnt hit anything i could say that our bet was a bluff to get better high card hands and possibly weak pairs to fold since its a tight player but why do we bet against this type of opponent with bottom pair? one person i know told me it was for protection meaning to deny your opponent from catching a better pair on the turn or river but i dont see this "protection bet" falls into the value bet category or bluff category. so can you please explain me what actually we are doing in this situation? |
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| U Cook Socks |
There are 3 reasons for betting.
To get a worse hand to call. To get a better hand to fold. To take down dead money. Taking dead money is vital in poker. In your example, what do you suggest ? Checking, and letting your opponent take it away from you on the turn ? You say that worse hands wont ever call, but they can and will. That isn't really why you would be betting in that situation as such, but you can just make a cbet and take down the dead money, you win his share of the equity he had in the pot. |
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| Jakester1288 |
Super good question. I lead limped pots because when I watch videos from HUSNG.com, all the coaches do, and its the standard thing to do, + stops players taking a stab and putting you in a tough spot with bottom pair. | ||
| N86xps |
Apart from taking the dead money it is still for value. If the flop is wet, then draws will call (in which case it is also for "protection"), if the flop is super dry (especially paired), then ace-high can call even if the opponent is tight (tight does not mean the guy NEVER calls without a pair, otherwise it would mean he is "bad"). Protection is a side effect of betting which of course can not be a reason, but it just makes the bet even "better". | ||
| chesslw |
I agree with above- that it is to take down the dead money.
If you know that villain is not very agro, and folds a lot when unconnected, it is much much better to cbet A high, bottom pair type hands particularly on dry boards (as you are more likely to take it down)- you are betting for protection. I'm afraid it is not always possible to say categorically whether you are betting for value or as a bluff. If you raise the button with 80% of hands what kind of bet is it when you raise with AA, 35s, J10o? AA you can say is for value, and 35s is for bluff, but with J10o, better hands and worse hands can call... It is to take down the dead money in the pot preflop- and improve the average equity of the whole range of hands you raise with preflop. If villain is nitty and fold way too much, the optimal thing to do is the bet out with the whole range of your hands until villain adapts (except with maybe the absolute nuts). Of course you may want to check back sometimes so that he isn't too pissed off and changes how he plays. |
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| forced |
Nice first post! Welcome to the forums! | ||
| StasKo |
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| forced |
awesome! | ||
| kierkegaard1 |
Re: "why are you betting" question
we're not betting bottom pair. we're betting our range. this just happens to be at the bottom of our value range if we only cbet with top pair and bluffs it'd make life pretty straightforward for villain |
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| Brokerstar |
Yes interesting first post but as Kierk says it kind of is still a value bet with the weakest part of our range and betting to protect your hand does kind of fall into a value category in as much as you're protecting the value of your hand from freebies in his hand. Welcome to the site my man, looking forward to seeing your journey. Broker |