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| Kim Cardassian |
$11: 4bet shoving JJ vs tightish player?Player was relatively tight, his first 3bet. I was running him over with 3x raises and figured he might be 3betting alot of worse pairs that he could call a shove with thinking I'm professor insano tiltshoving with junk. Haven't played alot of hands. Maybe like 15-20?I calculated in pokerstove and against 88+/AQs/AK I only have 52% equity. A little thin methinks. Actually it's a losing shove not considering rakeback as I need 52,5% to BE. He didnt make a huge 3bet either. Then again I think my range estimation might be a little on the strong side. My question is really: Can we reasonably assume a relatively tight player (no definitive read on degree of tightness, but it's very probable he's 3betting with some sort value here and not as a bluff) would call a shove like this with worse? Is something like AJs at the bottom of his range? Ongame Network NL Hold'em No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter Hero (BTN/SB): t1280 64 BBs BB: t1720 86 BBs Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with J  J
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t175, Hero raises to t1280 all in, BB calls t1105 Flop: (t2560) 7 4 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Turn: (t2560) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: (t2560) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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| ChrisB |
In your equity equations you are assuming he calls every time? Obv he won't. This is part of the reason the jam is profitable. | ||
| Kim Cardassian |
Yea of course, but there's not so much in the pot. I think it's more profitable if his range includes AJ and 77 then if he folds those hands since I have 70 and 80% equity against those. He isn't folding the stuff I included already unless he's really, really tight which is so rare I don't expect it all that often. Edit: In addition, this is meant to be a valueplay. I don't like turning JJ into a bluff, if I shove it and he folds every time and I always win the pot I would rather flatcall and play postflop to possibly win his entire stack. Furthermore, most opponents just aren't that good. I am giving up a large edge by chasing this smaller edge. I know alot of people here are proponents of the "Don't pass up any edge" but even if it ends up being like 57% edge including FE I still think that's a little thin. |
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| ChrisB |
well its just so profitable to jam if he folds every time 
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| BetMagicMoney |
jam is fine
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