Did I play this badly?

welshdentist · Grinder Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 164 Skype: endodontic

Hand I played, that ended up with me winning a tournament later on but the opposition who folded preflop (not the villain) went nuts in the chat box saying it was a stupid call.

For me my decision making was as follows.

There was a lot of raise/fold/fold as play was cagey on the bubble.

We were down the 3 but only top two are paid.

PokerStars - $3.13+$0.37|75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BB): 3,172.00
BTN: 2,512.00
SB: 3,316.00

SB posts SB 75.00, Hero posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (225.00) Hero has Jh Ah

BTN raises to 300.00, fold, Hero calls 150.00

Flop: (675.00, 2 players) Kd 4c 9h
Hero bets 450.00, BTN calls 450.00

Turn: (1575.00, 2 players) 8h
Hero checks, BTN bets 900.00, Hero calls 900.00

River: (3375.00, 2 players) Th
Hero bets 1,522.00 and is all-in, BTN calls 862.00 and is all-in

On the button minraise, for me this was a call, would anyone have raised?

I led into the pot with a 3/4 pot bet as a stone cold bluff on a dry rainbow flop.

He was getting short stacked and I though this would drive out any underpairs or weak Ax hands when he called, he obviously had something to call so my thinking changed.

I though it may have been a WA/WB situation and wasn't going to stack off lightly.

When he called on the flop my range looking back for the preflop minraise and game flow would narrow to

A8-AJs
AQo-ATo
77-JJ
AJ-QJs
AT-JTs
A9-T9s
Poss A8s/A9s and K8s/K9s

I dont think he would min raise AA KK or QQ at this stage

On the turn I felt he would bet with any of the above and I tanked for a while thinking about what to do. I actually gut felt he had Kx or more likely two pair with the 3/4 pot bet on the turn. If he had shoved, I would have folded. If he had checked, I would like to think I would have checked back and held of on a stone cold bluff turning into a semibluff.....which to me seems spewy.

Given late stage of tournament I actually hated the call but I figured I could fold/shove the river if I didn't improve and still have close to 2000 chips left. Obviously I thought my outs would be any heart, possibly an Ace or Jack. My plan for the river was check shove or fold if I didn't improve at all.

I'm worried by being berated for the call. I admit my first bet was a stone cold bluff, but improved on the turn to drawing to the nuts. I knew I was behind but had many outs...

Am about to pokerstove it....but given chips in was it move -ev to fold given preflop and flop bet? Given I would still have a decent stack and blinds were creeping up to shove time, can I justify this?

According to my basic range I still had 39.8% Equity on the turn with my trusty retrospec-o-scope.

Happy to be told by the forum if I was a luckbox chasing numpty.....

I would not do this in a cash game, or at early stages with 6 players. We were down to three in a 6 max tourney and the situation affecting my thinking.

Maybe the thought of chiplead going into HU and knocking out a player guaranteeing a money finish clouding my thinking or was I thinking clearly?

He did in fact have 98d in the end so for the actualy situation only had 20.5% equity. Given that I still had a decent amount of chips after the call on the turn, was this a fold or was my call a bit meh but ok?

The guy who had a go at me shoved with 66 and my 99 held up a few hands later HU which was nice to beat someone who had a go...

Please tell me if I was an idiot here....

sandman369 · Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject:

Didn't read the whole post sorry, but I would have just 3bet-shoved preflop.

Effective stacks are 16.7bb which is horrible for playing postflop. And you are out of position. Just shove preflop; even if he calls you are in good shape against a strong range, so overall shoving is a very +EV play.

welshdentist · Grinder Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 164 Skype: endodontic

It was long post lol

Thanks, next time, shove.....simples

chesslw · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:26 am Post subject:

Yep. At these stacksizes on the bubble you really shouldn't be flatting at all oop, and should just jam/fold pre from what I remembered of STTs.
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BetMagicMoney · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject:

looking at stake size looks like a ship pre imo
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welshdentist · Grinder Joined: 27 Dec 2010 Posts: 164 Skype: endodontic

It's a strange one during your poker education, especially learning a small ball HUSNG style to have gone so carefully though the early stages and then get to that point with effective stack sizes where it becomes a range/variance push/fold scenario.

I think for me it's one of those things where I just need to learn the range/situation and accept the results knowing when I make a +ev decision

Thanks for the input guys, shove it is.

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