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 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: Dealing with loose donkbetors |
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Hey guys,
I just had really unpleasant guy to play with (for me at least).
He was overall very passive (allowed me to limp, never punished my limps, rarely if ever raised preflop ...) but he was donking flops (no matter if it was limped or raised pot) both as a bluff and for value (with all sorts of hands really, air, bottom-mid-top pair, nuts ...) and you never knew whether he is folding to a raise or not.
How do you counter these ? |
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aggsyb
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Call down in standard spots see if hes double barreling air hands , see if hes overplaying made weaker hands depending on frequencies if hes doing it very often start raising any draws (depending on board textures) I find people who donk alot are fairly easily exploited, once you get a handle on their frequencies and ranges I would start raising more pots over limping as your going to be taking bigger pots down post. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| aggsyb wrote: | | Call down in standard spots see if hes double barreling air hands , see if hes overplaying made weaker hands depending on frequencies if hes doing it very often start raising any draws (depending on board textures) I find people who donk alot are fairly easily exploited, once you get a handle on their frequencies and ranges I would start raising more pots over limping as your going to be taking bigger pots down post. |
Ye this sounds reasonable ... the thing with raising more pre is that he was pretty loose with calling, but was allowing me to limp, therefore I just raised at least some kind of hands that can flop something and just limped the rest.
Maybe I should tighten up pre also against him ? |
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aggsyb
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| acceleration wrote: | | aggsyb wrote: | | Call down in standard spots see if hes double barreling air hands , see if hes overplaying made weaker hands depending on frequencies if hes doing it very often start raising any draws (depending on board textures) I find people who donk alot are fairly easily exploited, once you get a handle on their frequencies and ranges I would start raising more pots over limping as your going to be taking bigger pots down post. |
Ye this sounds reasonable ... the thing with raising more pre is that he was pretty loose with calling, but was allowing me to limp, therefore I just raised at least some kind of hands that can flop something and just limped the rest.
Maybe I should tighten up pre also against him ? |
I mean im not an advocate of limping at all unless <30bb but it really depends how he is playing post for example if hes calling wide and donk betting small with air and snap folding small raises we would be 3xing a wide range to exploit his tendancies in bigger pots but if hes not giving up then limping / mr is fine |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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I would describe his flop play in this way:
He donked and if I raised, he only folded total air with no equity. He would not fold a gutter or bottom pair.
If he had some kind of midpair hand, heŽd donk flop and when I called heŽd bet smaller on turn & river. Sometimes even the same with bottom pair.
(like if he was "scared" about me calling and having better pair)
With very strong hand (TPGK and better ..) heŽd donk flop, and close to pot turn & river.
His flop donkbets was pretty much same size all the time. |
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savrababa
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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If you have these reads then I think it is pretty easy to exploit the guy.
If he is not folding to reraises then raise him for value.
Call with your semi strong hands and draws and re-evaluate depending on what he does on the turn.
The real problem with him would be if you are card dead.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| kierkegaard1 wrote: | | aggsyb wrote: |
I mean im not an advocate of limping at all unless <30bb |
what if you're getting 3bet a tonne? |
4bet more ?
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| kierkegaard1 wrote: | sure, but only with a decent range, right?
what about Q7, for example? If you're 4betting all of your Ax/Kx/Qx then our 4bet range is pretty wide and exploitable.
developing a limping range with hands that have top pair value but can't stand a 3bet seems the best option? |
Yes , it's something I have been looking in to/working on.
I know a few good players who make videos, do it when the effective stacks are at a surprisingly low amount. 30-20ish.
I think it was one of Merse's videos I was watching when he was something like 23BB deep, and he limp called J7, I just thought this was dumbass play tbh, but obviously he knows more than I do/ever will probably.
I don't claim to be a great player, I have to admit, it seems like you are playing poker to hit flops playing this way,or at least flopping some decent equity, which is fundamentally wrong isn't it ? Not disagreeing, looking for more answers to be honest 
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